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Old 10-06-2018, 08:14 AM   #1
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1/2 66 rivers a boat - but do we fold?

hero $450 - 20s aggro kid
villain $600 - 30s loose-passive thinking player

hero has 6 6 utg+2

btn straddle pot, folds to us we open 15, folds to villain in hj he calls, co calls, the rest fold.

flop (52) 9 7 5

we cbet 30, villain calls other guy folds

turn (112) 9

we check, villain checks back

river (112) 6

we bet 120 and villain snap jams?!?!?


we made a boat on the river and a bunch of straights and flushes got there, and we fire a powerful overbet only to get re-overbet jammed by an ordinarily passive player. he's quite loose preflop and stuff like all the straight flushes, 97o, and 95s are all still there. him checking back turn and now jamming sets off all sorts of alarms for me.

we've got like 280 back - wwyd??? im not even sure this opponent is jamming an ace high flush here. never folded a boat on a non double paired board before, is this the time?

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Old 10-06-2018, 08:34 AM   #2
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Re: 1/2 66 rivers a boat - but do we fold?

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hero $450 - 20s aggro kid
villain $600 - 30s loose-passive thinking player

hero has 6 6 utg+2

btn straddle pot, folds to us we open 15, folds to villain in hj he calls, co calls, the rest fold.

flop (52) 9 7 5

we cbet 30, villain calls other guy folds

turn (112) 9

we check, villain checks back

river (112) 6

we bet 120 and villain snap jams?!?!?


we made a boat on the river and a bunch of straights and flushes got there, and we fire a powerful overbet only to get re-overbet jammed by an ordinarily passive player. he's quite loose preflop and stuff like all the straight flushes, 97o, and 95s are all still there. him checking back turn and now jamming sets off all sorts of alarms for me.

we've got like 280 back - wwyd??? i do not believe this opponent is jamming an ace high flush here. never folded a boat on a non double paired board before, is this the time?
So a "loose-passive thinking player" is calling a raise PF next into the pot with 97o/95o? And if so, why wouldn't he raise this extremely wet flop with 2-pair (or 77/55) with one player still left to act?

Given that the Villain seems like an idiot (or your read on him is off), I'm going to have a hard time letting go of a rivered boat, especially since this entire board doesn't really hit our range.

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Old 10-06-2018, 08:46 AM   #3
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Re: 1/2 66 rivers a boat - but do we fold?

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So a "loose-passive thinking player" is calling a raise PF next into the pot with 97o/95o? And if so, why wouldn't he raise this extremely wet flop with 2-pair (or 77/55) with one player still left to act?

Given that the Villain seems like an idiot (or you're read on him is off), I'm going to have a hard time letting go of a rivered boat, especially since this entire board doesn't really hit our range.

i dont give him as far as 95o here but def 97o, he is one of a few people at this table straddling every btn or utg they can. just tries to see tons of flops and every time ive seen him take the betting lead hes been nutted.
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Old 10-06-2018, 08:50 AM   #4
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Re: 1/2 66 rivers a boat - but do we fold?

wow not sure about the other streets but as far as the river goes this is an easy call. based on player description and also the fact that he could be shoving a flush or straight sometimes; consider your line tho , you c-bet , then checked, and then overbet.. he may think your full of **** and could have some bluffs here if he is a thinking player; only thing I know is that he is never putting you on a boat here
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Old 10-06-2018, 09:00 AM   #5
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wow not sure about the other streets but as far as the river goes this is an easy call. based on player description and also the fact that he could be shoving a flush or straight sometimes; consider your line tho , you c-bet , then checked, and then overbet.. he may think your full of **** and could have some bluffs here if he is a thinking player; only thing I know is that he is never putting you on a boat here
despite all that im just never putting this guy on a re-bluff against my perceived bluff here, almost noone at 1/2 ever does that because theyre simply not capable, if they think im bluffing they just click call. if he had an 8 or even a low flush im sure this guy just calls facing an overbet
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Old 10-06-2018, 09:10 AM   #6
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Re: 1/2 66 rivers a boat - but do we fold?

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despite all that im just never putting this guy on a re-bluff against my perceived bluff here, almost noone at 1/2 ever does that because theyre simply not capable, if they think im bluffing they just click call. if he had an 8 or even a low flush im sure this guy just calls facing an overbet
I agree that players at these stakes rarely make river bluff shoves but it's still a possibility, If you're so certain that he has you beat im confused as to what your question is? There are still 3 combos of 5's lol , that would make you sick. there's just so few combos that crush you here im having a hard time justifying a fold
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Old 10-06-2018, 09:16 AM   #7
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I agree that players at these stakes rarely make river bluff shoves but it's still a possibility, If you're so certain that he has you beat im confused as to what your question is? There are still 3 combos of 5's lol , that would make you sick. there's just so few combos that crush you here im having a hard time justifying a fold
yeah i know he has 5s here which would suck to fold against.. in the moment it actually felt like a close spot which is why im asking, im definitely not certain he has me beat, crucially im not 100% if he jams ace x of hearts or not
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Old 10-06-2018, 09:20 AM   #8
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Re: 1/2 66 rivers a boat - but do we fold?

The more important question is why did you overbet that board? What did you expect him to have that could call you? If he has a flush or straight hes most likely going to bet himself and you can check raise him.

He may bluff the river if checked to as well. I dont get the overbet.

Hes not calling your river bet with anything else that you beat.
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Old 10-06-2018, 09:24 AM   #9
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The more important question is why did you overbet that board? What did you expect him to have that could call you? If he has a flush or straight hes most likely going to bet himself and you can check raise him.

He may bluff the river if checked to as well. I dont get the overbet.

Hes not calling your river bet with anything else that you beat.
people at 1/2 love paying off, this guy being loose passive is no exception. id hate to see him be passive and check back something like trip 9s here that hed likely call off with given my image
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Old 10-06-2018, 10:05 AM   #10
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Re: 1/2 66 rivers a boat - but do we fold?

You honestly think hes going to check back the turn AND river with 9x? I mean maybe he will what about all the other hands he can have. Betting the river can never be bad. I just dont understand the overbet that can rarely get called by any hands that wouldnt have bet if you checked.

In other words, I like a smaller bet or a check. But either way Im not folding now.
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Old 10-06-2018, 10:08 AM   #11
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Old 10-06-2018, 10:19 AM   #12
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Re: 1/2 66 rivers a boat - but do we fold?

I wouldn't beat your self up too much on this one, I don't like the open pre in a straddled pot tho, I'm looking to limp there most of the time in EP, you can't face a 3! pre and when you get callers you will be OOP and miss the board around 80% of the time
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