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1/2 600bb deep thinking tag plays back AQ preflop 1/2 600bb deep thinking tag plays back AQ preflop

05-03-2016 , 06:52 PM
Crazy table with 1 complety drunk guy and 3 other bad players and 4 regs. I had the biggest stack on the table all the time and now a player doubled up against the other reg and has now a stack from 1200 i has him coverd.

Im respecting him and his play very much and he is one of the opponents i dont want to have on the table. He plays on the tight side but is capaple of bluffing in good spots and is a good thinking player who lives from Poker.

I raise UTG +2 to 16. Because they where in the paying mode --> 4 callers
Im ahead of their range and i would stack off with everyone in this hand because they had stacks between 100-220 and im in a long run ahead of their range and dont fear this "gamble"

V1 in BB raise to 75
I know that this is a good spot for him to pop it up because he also know that the others would propably fold.
What should hero do in situations like this?

I had a similiar hand with a9s. What range do you 4 bet here?
Flatcalling is dangerous because sombody could go allin and he could push me out. What is my raisesize here? I recognized that this maybe is a good spot to play back but i have to admit i was a little bit afraid playing for stakes because i played 12 hours and it was 6 o clock in the morning.

But for the next time i need some adives for playing deep against good Lags/Tags.
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05-03-2016 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Lordofklock01
But for the next time i need some adives for playing deep against good Lags/Tags.
Cash out. Playing this deep at 1/2 is a recipe for regret.

Do you see two players with $1200 stacks at 1/2 very often? There probably won't be a next time.


You're tired and you're raising AQ to 8x and getting 5 callers. Go home
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05-03-2016 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerisEZ
Cash out. Playing this deep at 1/2 is a recipe for regret.

Do you see two players with $1200 stacks at 1/2 very often? There probably won't be a next time.


You're tired and you're raising AQ to 8x and getting 5 callers. Go home
^^^This. Any time you're weighing the right play vs. the cost if you lose, you need to get up from the table. Just fold and leave.
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05-03-2016 , 07:30 PM
Going home when you are deep and worried about a guy who covers you is good advice.

What to do depends on reads, but if someone is aggressively 3betting me, I tend to pick good hands to repop with and do so at the first opportunity.

Hand 1: If you think he does this with a wide range as implied in your post and given he is OOP, you have card and positional advantage. If you don't think you can outplay him with these 2 things in your favour, go home as mentioned above. He may fold a lot of his junk to a 4bet being a good TAG and continue with premium hands only, in which case 4 betting is bad.

Now if you think his range is narrower or that he is too sticky vs. 4bets, you need to rethink.

Hand 2: Again with reads assumed based on your description, this is an easy 4bet/fold. That way, you push out most of his wide range, snap fold vs. his 5bet nuts/AK and if he calls, his range is likely polarised.
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05-03-2016 , 07:32 PM
4bet/fold. If he calls play extremely cautiously and pot control.
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05-03-2016 , 08:00 PM
I've never really played this deep IRL no-limit. And when online - it's much smaller games. But assuming the $ don't really matter to you - this seems like a great spot for a 4 bet. And an easy fold to a 5 bet. I also don't mind a simple cold call - but I'm going to be wary of an Axx board.

Having said that, personally, I'm taking the advice above and booking the win.
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05-03-2016 , 08:22 PM
Having said that, personally, I'm taking the advice above and booking the win.[/QUOTE]

That was exactly what i thouht about in this hand. I knew 4bet/fold is the right play but i didnt wanted to play this hand against him so i folded got a reck and left but the table was still very very nice (8 from 10 points) . Somebody keeps playing. ( played 12 hours and got tired too)
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05-03-2016 , 08:55 PM
I would fold both. If he is on the tighter side I don't see any point in getting into a bluffing war with the one other deep stack at the table. Your big open and his big reraise have bloated the pot and this is going to play with a low SPR on the flop. AQ just isn't strong enough unless villain is squeezing a lot preflop.

If the bet sizing wasn't so big and hero's position was after some of the fish I would call and see the flop with AQ. A9s is being chucked no matter what, it is too likely V1 is squeezing with an AX hand and your going to be flying blind post flop if you do hit.
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05-03-2016 , 09:59 PM
Am I the only one popping wood over the fact we have perfect position on this villain 600 BB's deep? If you aren't comfortable playing deep, fine rack it up (or don't get into big pots with RIO hands like AQo), but this is a dream scenario. This is the type of session that has the potential to turn into your outlier "biggest win of the year."

Big cards (AK, AQ) and premium pairs go way down in value while all of the set mining PP's, SC's and Axs hands go way up in value. Pivot your game to playing pots vs. the big stack with speculative hands, while playing the big card hands vs. the rest of the table. This should be fairly easy to accomplish most hands in the orbit since you have position on him.
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05-03-2016 , 10:15 PM
I like the 4 bet/fold line myself, and AQ is pretty easy to play postflop heads up in position if he calls.

Overall it sounds like a table you want to stay at, get some caffeine or whatever you need and keep grinding.
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05-03-2016 , 10:20 PM
Yes, this is a great setup. Getting to go after V1 most hands is worth a lot. Really it's just a basic application of the principle that the deeper the game the more valuable position is. When V1 raises hero can call behind with a lot of suited connectors and A-rag suited that would otherwise have to be dumped. When V1 folds hero will be able to raise strongly with big card hands without fear of V1 messing up the situation.
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05-04-2016 , 06:29 AM
4bet/fold to $150 and hope he just calls.


Check back most flops including Axx unless you you hit a dream like QQx - it will narrow your range to 1 pair hands but that should be fine.

Turn you should bet good boards like kxx and any pairs you hit - and probably be prepared to call a check raise if you have a piece of the board. He may just fold here which is fine, but sometimes they may apply pressure since you turned your hand kind of face up by checking flop.

Same with river. If you did happen to check turn - it's not terrible to check turn as well but I would probably bet - be prepared to bet/call a big river bet if you have 2pair+. I have called with just 1 pair type hands and i'm correct about 50% of the time which is over all profitable. When you play this deep you will lose your stack a lot of the time if you play aggressive and tricky. But the times you win is when you get those 3k+ scores.

I am betting river if he checks with any good A or Q rivers. Probably not going to be bluffing huge unless I pick up a physical tell.

Good luck
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