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1/2/5 - QQ on KK332 Board Versus Crazy Player 1/2/5 - QQ on KK332 Board Versus Crazy Player

02-05-2021 , 12:11 PM
1/2/5, straddle is +2 this hand, $600 effective with main villain. I have about 20-30 hours experience with villain over the past year. I know he plays pretty wild overall, mixing between passive and aggressive - for example, he'll call super wide pre flop but then also mix in 3 bets super side (i.e. he 3 bet T4s and QTo earlier this session.) I unfortunately don't know/remember enough about villain's aggressive post flop tendencies, as it's been about 7 months since we last played. Hero has a TAG/Nitty image, and villain has verbalized several times that he hates me and is looking to stack me.

OTTH

Tight passive limps LJ, hero raises $30 Q Q, villain calls OTB, and LJ calls.

Flop ($98): K K 3. X around. I don't like this - I was checking to induce something from villain and I have a great hand to call down with, but I feel like just going three streets is the best play. With two standard LLSNL villains, I think this is a slam dunk 3 street spot, and checking is really bad.

Turn ($98): 3. LJ checks, hero bets $60, villain raises to $160, LJ folds, hero calls.

River ($418): 2. Hero checks and villain shoves for $410. Hero?
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02-05-2021 , 12:24 PM
practically nobody ****s around here - snap fold turn
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02-05-2021 , 12:36 PM
I lead this flop 100% of the time. Especially 3-ways.

You will get value from smaller pairs, it will cause middle player (the unpredictable one) to define his hand for us, and if he calls LJ has a difficult call with anything other than a K.

The prevalence of slowplaying trips makes my first priority trying to determine if one villain has a king, and the best way to do that is to bet out. Heads up with unpredictable villain I can get behind the check.

If we lead, I would lead on the small side.. 1/3 pot or so.
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02-05-2021 , 12:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueSpade84
I lead this flop 100% of the time. Especially 3-ways.

You will get value from smaller pairs, it will cause middle player (the unpredictable one) to define his hand for us, and if he calls LJ has a difficult call with anything other than a K.

The prevalence of slowplaying trips makes my first priority trying to determine if one villain has a king, and the best way to do that is to bet out. Heads up with unpredictable villain I can get behind the check.

If we lead, I would lead on the small side.. 1/3 pot or so.
I said in the OP that I prefer c betting
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02-05-2021 , 02:25 PM
I think folding turn is standard.
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02-05-2021 , 05:17 PM
Check back turn. The turn is a terrible card for you because now your losing to random garbage and have no way to tell.

As played call the river. Against very aggressive/maniac players you are making your decision on the turn. You know he is going to shove a lot on the river no matter what he has, you can't back out on a brick river very often or villain will just bluff you to death.

With a better read on villain's post flop play you can consider your options but in general just fold the turn. Your hand isn't good enough to play for stacks any more.
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02-05-2021 , 06:54 PM
when we call turn we're saying we have a value hand which makes his river jam all the more scary. For that reason I actually hate calling the turn because it's just too easy to get bluffed on the river especially for a player targeting us. Terrible for meta, because if we call and lose now we're just a huge mark. Maybe even change seats. Folding turn looks super weak but at least it keeps our range wide and he might think we're just taking a stab which is harmless enough and will be his undoing longterm.

He also did that "100 on top" play, which i've seen discussed a lot and tends to suggest a possible tell, whether intentional or not. We've all seen it no matter the bet size, 100 on top feels like a big hand.

As you've read, i too prefer a cbet here. Harder for him to bluff flops like that since he lacks information on our hand.
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02-05-2021 , 07:59 PM
Grunch

Well, you checked to induce and he went wild. You asked for it and got it, call.

If you bet on the flop and he went wild I'd be into folding this sometimes, but with flop check he puts you on AQ/AJ now and is looking to make you fold because he smells weakness and hates your nitty guts.
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02-06-2021 , 02:22 PM
^ definitely some merit to this. V is repping a boat, why raise?
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02-06-2021 , 11:23 PM
call as played
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02-07-2021 , 06:05 AM
Conflicting info. Villain hates us and is gunning for us which makes this a call. However, people aren’t raising turn after checking back flop on lockdown board, repping a slow play. He also did this 3 ways. My gut says he has it but given that he’s coming for us I call. If he wins this will make him bluff us less
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02-07-2021 , 10:22 AM
I would B/F small on the turn, getting value from dominated pairs.

AP, the $100 on top is usually value, so likely folding after 60% PSB. Definitely folding river.
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02-07-2021 , 05:54 PM
if you fold ,you're drunk like me right now, if a maniac has it, god bless him
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