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Old 02-18-2021, 01:27 PM   #1
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1/2/5 QQ - Fairly Common Spot, How do you Proceed?

1/2/5, 9 handed, $300 effective (hero covers.) Hero has a TAG image if villain is paying attention at all. Hero has only played with villain for a few hours, but he seems to be a pretty standard loose passive pre and slightly more aggressive pre (i.e. will donk multiway when he flops top pair), but I haven't seen him play any pots with these exact dynamics (HU IP as preflop caller.)

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Straddle is UTG this hand, hero opens Q Q $25, only villain calls CO.

Flop ($57): K 8 4. Hero bets $20, villain calls.

Turn ($97): 6. Hero? What do you do here? Do you x-c a street, then x-f a river blank? Do you x-c here, then x-c a river blank? Do you bet here (size), then x-f a river blank? Do you bet here (size), then b-f a river blank?
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Old 02-18-2021, 01:59 PM   #2
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Re: 1/2/5 QQ - Fairly Common Spot, How do you Proceed?

Hard for V to have many draws here so he mostly has air/1p.
Most Vs will check back lower pocket pairs / Ax type hands so we will often be told if we're winning or not when we check. When we bet the turn we lose almost all worse hands, but rarely get folds from Kx.

If turn goes c/c we can bet blank rivers for ~30% of pot.
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Old 02-18-2021, 02:14 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2/5 QQ - Fairly Common Spot, How do you Proceed?

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Hard for V to have many draws here so he mostly has air/1p.
Most Vs will check back lower pocket pairs / Ax type hands so we will often be told if we're winning or not when we check. When we bet the turn we lose almost all worse hands, but rarely get folds from Kx.

If turn goes c/c we can bet blank rivers for ~30% of pot.
Interesting, I would go 2/3 - 3/4 otr if the turn goes x-x. I just feel like villains are so stationary that we can get away with a larger size.
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Old 02-18-2021, 02:54 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2/5 QQ - Fairly Common Spot, How do you Proceed?

I don't like the small bet on the flop, but I rarely bet less than half pot with anything.

I continue on the turn, again around half pot. He could be floating w/ a smaller pair or some hand like 56 or 78. Obviously fold to a raise and evaluate river.
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Old 02-18-2021, 03:34 PM   #5
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I don't like the small bet on the flop, but I rarely bet less than half pot with anything.

I continue on the turn, again around half pot. He could be floating w/ a smaller pair or some hand like 56 or 78. Obviously fold to a raise and evaluate river.
But do you think he's calling the turn with any of those?
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Old 02-18-2021, 03:34 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2/5 QQ - Fairly Common Spot, How do you Proceed?

I think our most common line is bet flop check turn bet river. If they take the lead turn and go bet, bet we can call down sometimes and fold the river some. Obviously if they bet huge we have to fold
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Old 02-18-2021, 05:04 PM   #7
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Re: 1/2/5 QQ - Fairly Common Spot, How do you Proceed?

I'd probably X maybe 60% of the time, bet 40% pot the rest of the time. Sizing is somewhat exploitive, but w/e. 2-street value hand at best
Targeting JJ-/87s.

Block some K combos. If called, X/F river mostly.
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Old 02-18-2021, 05:11 PM   #8
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But do you think he's calling the turn with any of those?
I don't mind if he does or doesn't -- I'll take the pot now (there would be a little more in it if I were in the hand), and I don't want to give him a free card after the 6h hits. I also don't want to end up folding the best hand if he decides to bet whatever he has.
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Old 02-18-2021, 05:53 PM   #9
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Re: 1/2/5 QQ - Fairly Common Spot, How do you Proceed?

What do we accomplish by betting the flop (even if we use the magical 1/3 sizing)? He’s not folding better. So are we ahead over half the time when called? He might take one off with medium pocket pairs or ace highs, but often enough to offset the million possible Kx?
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Old 02-18-2021, 06:14 PM   #10
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Re: 1/2/5 QQ - Fairly Common Spot, How do you Proceed?

I think flop is a pure check. Would much rather bet 99-JJ here, with the bet frequency dropping as we move up in hand strength.

As played c/c turn, c/f river seems fine.
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Old 02-19-2021, 11:03 AM   #11
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Re: 1/2/5 QQ - Fairly Common Spot, How do you Proceed?

The c/c turn, c/f river is interesting to me. If I'm V and H bets $20 on flop, checks turn, and checks river, I'm betting w/ my entire range. Now, my range is tighter than V's, but he's passive pre, so calling much wider than a lot of us might.

If V bets big on river, we have to decide, but if he makes a standard bet, I'm calling (if I check turn / check river).
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Old 02-20-2021, 12:06 PM   #12
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What do we accomplish by betting the flop (even if we use the magical 1/3 sizing)? Hes not folding better. So are we ahead over half the time when called? He might take one off with medium pocket pairs or ace highs, but often enough to offset the million possible Kx?
I expect the average villain to float all or most of their A highs, call all or most pairs less than 8x, call their gutshots, and call all 8x and pocket pairs between 8x and Kx so yeah that's more than his Kx combos.
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