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08-01-2018 , 07:24 AM
I played this hand about a year ago at a casino I went to for a convention. Action, as you can tell, got very crazy very quickly as a bunch of table regs got bored of the stakes I was sitting at (1/2 at the time) and decided to pump up the straddles. We were playing up to 32 at one point in the evening, playing winner shows one card. However, by the time this hand came around, action had died down and everyone was slightly tired.

Table images: Solid all round, though mine was incredibly tight as I was shortstacked for most the evening. I had doubled up once after 3 hours of play after my QQ beat AK in a race and had taken down a few pots with timed squeezing. Before the start of this hand, I intended to loosen up to take advantage of my very tight image and the tightening table action.

The Hand:

HJ (Villain) raises to 25
CO calls
Hero (Button) looks down at 86 and 3-bets to 80
Villain and CO call, the rest fold.

Flop: T98(£279)

Villain and CO check.
Hero c-bets for £95
Villain raises to £250
CO folds, hero calls.

Turn: A (£779)

Villain checks, Hero checks

River: 8

Villain leads for £550. Hero calls and Villain shows 109

Thoughts on the hand?

Last edited by Habasi; 08-01-2018 at 07:29 AM. Reason: Editing conclusion; felt this was more conducive to open discussion
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08-02-2018 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Habasi
I played this hand about a year ago at a casino I went to for a convention. Action, as you can tell, got very crazy very quickly as a bunch of table regs got bored of the stakes I was sitting at (1/2 at the time) and decided to pump up the straddles. We were playing up to 32 at one point in the evening, playing winner shows one card. However, by the time this hand came around, action had died down and everyone was slightly tired.

Table images: Solid all round, though mine was incredibly tight as I was shortstacked for most the evening. I had doubled up once after 3 hours of play after my QQ beat AK in a race and had taken down a few pots with timed squeezing. Before the start of this hand, I intended to loosen up to take advantage of my very tight image and the tightening table action.

The Hand:

HJ (Villain) raises to 25
CO calls
Hero (Button) looks down at 86 and 3-bets to 80
Villain and CO call, the rest fold.

Flop: T98(£279)

Villain and CO check.
Hero c-bets for £95
Villain raises to £250
CO folds, hero calls.

Turn: A (£779)

Villain checks, Hero checks

River: 8

Villain leads for £550. Hero calls and Villain shows 109

Thoughts on the hand?
Thoughts? You should have folded the flop after his reraise, and certainly not 3-bet preflop.

The flop: you have Reverse implied odds to catch a straight. He has a lot of jacks in his range in this spot. Jow many clean outs do you have after his reraise? An 8 or 6? Including runner runner clubs thats That's 26% equity. Really not that great, and some of those out still might be bad. i.e if he has 1010 or 99.

Preflop: 86 of clubs is the type of hand you WANT a few callers on preflop. Why would you kill your odds by reraising here? And more importantly, if you're gonna do it, you need to be reraising more. Do you really want a call?
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08-02-2018 , 09:38 AM
Call or fold pre depending how big your stack is
Check flop
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08-02-2018 , 01:26 PM
Welcome to the forum! It's useful to include stack sizes of Hero and Vs or at least effective stack to get good feedback. It's also good not to post results in the original post as it will influence feedback. You can post results later if you want.

I understand your logic with the hand. I think you know 86c is a bad hand to squeeze with but when making a move against late position raisers with 8 high I agree you should size up. There is already one caller to the $25 open and $15 of dead straddle money. Look at it from their perspective. There's $145 in the pot to the raiser and it's just $55 more to call and see a flop. Most of his raising range will probably continue as it appears you guys are all pretty deep. If you must make a move I'd make it $125 to go and bet pretty much every flop 2/3 pot. As played when you get check raised potentially drawing to runner runner you have to fold, you've been tight so V probably has you on an overpair or at least top / top. Yet they decide to x/r. You are just praying to get bailed out by calling here. You got a miracle run out to win the hand. Most turns V continues and you have to fold. Turn and river AP are fine of course.
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08-02-2018 , 02:27 PM
Given how tight your image is I don't mind mixing this 3 bet here seldomly. Though button vs HJ I would prefer ATs-AKs QJs, KJs, KQs type hands.

As played the flop is a clear check back with bottom pair and bdfd and dummy end of str8 draw.

On the river if you had any money behind you should be shoving it in if you didn't.
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08-02-2018 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Given how tight your image is I don't mind mixing this 3 bet here seldomly. Though button vs HJ I would prefer ATs-AKs QJs, KJs, KQs type hands.

As played the flop is a clear check back with bottom pair and bdfd and dummy end of str8 draw.

On the river if you had any money behind you should be shoving it in if you didn't.
What do you think he's calling with here that we beat? 109 is very likely folding, thinking we hit an ace or have an overpair to his 109, which is now countrfeited. I find it very unlikely for villain to ever have A10 in this spot, everything else that's calling has us beat. No reason to shove. In this I agree with the TC
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08-02-2018 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DannyAIC
What do you think he's calling with here that we beat? 109 is very likely folding, thinking we hit an ace or have an overpair to his 109, which is now countrfeited. I find it very unlikely for villain to ever have A10 in this spot, everything else that's calling has us beat. No reason to shove. In this I agree with the TC
Depends how much money he has behind. But generally I'm shoving the rest in. The more money they've put into the pot at that point, the wider they will call even if they feel they are beat.
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