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03-13-2018 , 06:35 PM
Hero w/ KK – has a TAG image. Stack size $420
Villain A – Very aggressive. Raises very often (Stack size $300)
Villain B – Plays solid. Always bets huge. Always bets pot. Hero has been at the table for over 2 hours and never seen him bet 1/2 pot or 2/3 pot. (stack size $700)

Villain A Raises to $8 (UTG+2), Villain B Calls (MP) and Hero(CO) 3-bets to $28.
Big Blind Calls, Villain A Calls, Villain B Calls.
Flop is Q-4-6
Villain B bets $100.
Does Hero just call here?
Is Villain overplaying A-Q here?
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03-13-2018 , 07:22 PM
I’s probably flat to let V fire again on turn. Only don’t want to see an A or Q so fading 6 cards. 3 bet pre than flop raise should only get called by hands that have you crushed.
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03-13-2018 , 07:39 PM
I think preflop your sizing should be a little larger after someone cold calls the initial open. I’d like something around $35-40. Also, Has villain B shown down any value? Someone who always bets pot could definitely be a donk at these types of games. If you’ve actually seen villain showdown some value I’d prefer a flat. If not, I prefer jamming it in his face and you have the Ks for back door flush. If you raised larger pre you’d feel more comfortable getting your stack in here.
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03-13-2018 , 10:19 PM
I love how every hero has a TAG image in these hand review post. If you're playing 1-2 or 1-3nl then 9 out of 10 times you do not have a TAG image. At these stakes you either have a winning image or a losing image. You're leveling yourself if you think otherwise. As played just call down and let him value own himself. Any spade will kill the action. Players at this level heavily weigh flush draws into peoples holdings. Also the general player pool at these games check raise their flopped sets and usually donk vulnerable hands or check call top pair hands or under pairs. Your read on him is he's a "solid" player. Assuming the read on him is based on some showdowns you've seen then its reasonable to assume you wouldn't expect him to have Q4 or Q6 or 46 or QQ. If you call you will have a pot size bet left on the turn and you can shove any non Q or A turn. Or even shove an As or Qs turn so you really only have to fade 3 Aces and 1 Queen. Since he's been blasting pots all night you're just gonna have to pay him off on the rare occasions he has sets.
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03-14-2018 , 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Groj514
Hero w/ KK – has a TAG image. Stack size $420
Villain A – Very aggressive. Raises very often (Stack size $300)
Villain B – Plays solid. Always bets huge. Always bets pot. Hero has been at the table for over 2 hours and never seen him bet 1/2 pot or 2/3 pot. (stack size $700)

Villain A Raises to $8 (UTG+2), Villain B Calls (MP) and Hero(CO) 3-bets to $28.
Big Blind Calls, Villain A Calls, Villain B Calls.
Flop is Q-4-6
Villain B bets $100.
Does Hero just call here?
Is Villain overplaying A-Q here?
35 pre.

Villain B doesn't exactly sound solid because there's literally no good strategy in this spot for donk overbetting pot.

Having the Ks makes me want to just call here. We're doomed if he flopped a set no matter what, so might as well give him a chance to grossly overplay AQ.
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03-14-2018 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Breadfish666
I think preflop your sizing should be a little larger after someone cold calls the initial open. I’d like something around $35-40. Also, Has villain B shown down any value? Someone who always bets pot could definitely be a donk at these types of games. If you’ve actually seen villain showdown some value I’d prefer a flat. If not, I prefer jamming it in his face and you have the Ks for back door flush. If you raised larger pre you’d feel more comfortable getting your stack in here.
I 100% agree that the 3-bet size should have been higher. The villain was priced in after 2 callers. Did he call only $8 with A-Q here? QQ and AA is out of his range obviously. The only hands I see him doing this is KQ, Qx combo, 66 and 44. Would he really bet $100 with anything else? 3 ppl are still in the hand.
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03-14-2018 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
35 pre.

Villain B doesn't exactly sound solid because there's literally no good strategy in this spot for donk overbetting pot.

Having the Ks makes me want to just call here. We're doomed if he flopped a set no matter what, so might as well give him a chance to grossly overplay AQ.
When I mean "solid" I mean this:
Villain B rarely got out of line. No massive blowups. He got maximum value every time he was in a hand. Usually, his showdown hands haven't been outrageous.
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03-14-2018 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Groj514
I 100% agree that the 3-bet size should have been higher. The villain was priced in after 2 callers. Did he call only $8 with A-Q here? QQ and AA is out of his range obviously. The only hands I see him doing this is KQ, Qx combo, 66 and 44. Would he really bet $100 with anything else? 3 ppl are still in the hand.
That’s the problem with raising so small pre-flop. You haven’t really narrowed his range down after you 3 bet. I think he can still have flush draws and a lot of other crap in there after an initial $8 call.

Even if the $100 lead looks like a 44, 66 afraid of getting checked through, he can have a lot of other stuff in his range based on the preflop action. This puts you in a tough spot. Also, I don’t think QQ is out of his range but you’re going to know your opponents better than me.

This isn’t really a donk over bet either. 4 players went to the flop for $28 so there’s $112 in the pot. This villains bet sizing here looks like AQ more than anything else.
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