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04-24-2014 , 12:50 AM
Recently table changed after being at a tight nitreg table (saw 5 chops in one hour).

My first hand at the new table. I posted from the SB. Effective stacks of $210. Had no reads on V.

Hero dealt JJ

UTG+2 limps
CO (V) raises to $6
Hero re-raises to $20
UTG+2 calls $20
CO (V) calls $20

Pot: ~$60

Flop: 2 4 6

Hero bets $45
UTG+2 folds
V calls $45 while saying "I don't think you've got it"

Pot: ~$150

Turn: 7

Hero tanks way too long (literally had no idea what to do) then checks
V bets $50
Hero ???

I'm starting to see the value in posters that say "don't get in a sticky situation before you have any reads on V." Would love to hear some thoughts as JJ OOP with no reads is just about one of the worst situations I can think of.
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04-24-2014 , 12:57 AM
Only reason thos spot seems tricky is bc you tanked. Too thin to vb turn, easy c/c vs a reasonable bet..
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04-24-2014 , 12:59 AM
You've played the hand fine to this point. Call the turn and probably call most rivers. If V has bigger flush oh well but I don't think we can fold here.
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04-24-2014 , 01:49 AM
i wouldn't listen to the advice about "don't get into tricky spots before you have a read on villains..." it's just not something you have much control over. you did everything right preflop and on the flop. but you have to have a plan if a fourth club (or an overcard to your JJ) comes on the turn.

best plan is usually to bet/fold because live players (especially at 1/2 level) don't bluff too much on monotone boards. if you bet turn and get raised, then you can easily fold. if you bet turn and get called, then you are most likely still ahead.

odds are, Villain doesn't like turn card either. but by checking turn, you can never be sure if he is bluffing or value-betting with higher flush. bet/folding is the way to go...
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04-24-2014 , 02:26 AM
Calling turn and b/f about half pot on river.
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04-24-2014 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
I'm starting to see the value in posters that say "don't get in a sticky situation before you have any reads on V." Would love to hear some thoughts as JJ OOP with no reads is just about one of the worst situations I can think of.
Not getting into marginal situations with no read is good advice. It doesn't help you here though, because there isn't much you could do about this. Flatting or folding preflop would be terrible and not betting this flop would be bad.

Having the flush comes in is the worst possible situation, because your jack high flush puts you right in the middle of limbo. With a worse hand hero can just give up, and with a better one hero can bet for value. On turn, either check/evaluate, or bet/fold $50. Without a read on villain, which way is better is a toss up. As played, call turn, check/evaluate river with an eye towards giving up if villain bets again.
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04-24-2014 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by TrubyKGB
Calling turn and b/f about half pot on river.
B/f 50 into 250 otr and fold for your last 45? Way to shallow for this.


I'm c/f'ing ott. What worse hands are we going to get paid off by? TcXx, terribly played sets?
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04-24-2014 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by eldiesel
I'm c/f'ing ott. What worse hands are we going to get paid off by? TcXx, terribly played sets?
TTx and 99x

But I don't know if there's enough combos of those (6 total, 3 each) to offset the QQx, AQx, and AKx combos to make it a profitable call.

I think it's close though.
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04-24-2014 , 11:13 AM
Crap ... I'm sorry guys, I was ready to post what I did next and just realized I screwed up the flop. Flop only had two clubs meaning turn put 3 to the flush on board which caused my tank.

Flop: 2 4 6

Once again, apologies. Not sure how much that changes your analysis. I'm thinking some more may lean toward betting the turn? That's kinda what I meant by tricky spot. If a V floats the flop on a 2-to-the-flush board and that flush hits, I never really know what to do there.

I'll post my action in a little bit.
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04-24-2014 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by eldiesel
B/f 50 into 250 otr and fold for your last 45? Way to shallow for this.


I'm c/f'ing ott. What worse hands are we going to get paid off by? TcXx, terribly played sets?
Wasn't even paying attention to stacks,my bad.
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04-24-2014 , 07:12 PM
So after I tank checked the turn, villain bets $50 into $150. I convince myself in my head that this is some bet-sizing weak hand tell and without taking an overly long time to decide, I stack my remaining $150 and push it over the line. Thoughts?
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04-24-2014 , 08:12 PM
Just sort of a live thing. When some dude starts talking as he calls. I wouldn't be shocked if he flopped 2 pair+. After the speech I'm done w/the hand especially if he looks comfortable. I'm going to go w/my read and check/call the 50 getting 4:1 ott since if I think villain has a strong hand our flush should be good and our 2 Js should also give us the winner.

Ace Poker Drills Poker Equity Calculator
Board: 2c 4s 6c 7c

Equity Win Tie Hand Range
25.603% 25.603% 0% [ JcJs ]
74.397% 74.397% 0% [ 53s(100), 53o(100), 22(100), 44(100), 66(100), KK(100), 42s(100), 42o(100), 64s(100), 64o(100) ]

Edit: pf and flop seem standard
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