Hero: ~$600, relatively clean image; tight
Villain ~$190, has clean image has only shown down strong hands; looks fairly decent though did not know villain prior to today
V2/v3 - irrelevant as both had ~$50 and were fishes
Hand history with villain:
3 limpers and hero raises A10o on the BTN to $15; 2 callers including villain. board is 569r and all check; hero tries to c-bet and take it down; villain cals all else fold. turn is a blank; villain checks and hero checks. river is a 10 giving hero top pair top kicker, but villain leads for a strong 2/3 PSB. Hero asks villain if he has 87, and he just laughs. Says he laughs no matter what (and it's true based on other hands). Hero tank folds and villain shows 87. (not a brag post, very relevant). Yes, table found out hero folded A10 by interrogation and hero giving in.
OTTH:
V2/V3 both limp,, Villain limps. Hero looks down at AcAd and raises it to $20. All fold. V2 and V3 both call (now have ~$30 behind each. super fishy. irrelevant). Villain say something along the lines of: "I could call.... eh" and just calls. Note: I do not think villain was hollywooding at all, and just put him on some mediocre hand - suited connector, small PP, broadway.
Flop (~$80): As Jd 5c
V2 checks, V3 checks, Villain checks. Hero checks (Note: the FPS - but really is this a bad check? Top set on a rainbow board?)
If flop check is really bad, please explain why. I felt like I had the near nuts here. Was not concerned with v2/v3 at all, wanted to induce from villain.
Since everyone now "knows" that you have to call all cbets to float, I believe it is easier to collect a bet on the flop rather than the turn. That said, your plan was to trap the villain. The villain shoved the turn. Call.
Sorry he had KT. He'll also have a lower set a bunch of the time.
AP, this is a snap call. You have 10 outs vs. KT and are beating everything else.
I noticed (and don't like) the fact that you opened $15 in the first hand and $20 in the second. An astute player would pick up on this bet sizing tell. Pick one.
OTF, you need a plan to get V AI by the river. The check OTF makes this hard. I prefer a bet. There are plenty of hands (weak aces and any JX) that will check-call the flop, and then hand you their stacks if they improve OTT.
Seems like an obv call? I mean if he had the str8 - good for him (although that's a pretty disasterous way to play it...)... but with all the other possibilities out there - and your redraw outs - you have to call.
About the flop turn. I just never check this spot. Especially IP - it just looks very suspicious. I'm much more inclined to make a half pot bet... could easily be called by broadway cards or second pair or even the last ace. But mostly I do it because I hate hate hate giving a free card that makes a miracle gut shot.
Grunch: I go ahead and c-bet here, especially after your example hand showed V that you c-bet multi-way with air and vs 2 fish who should never be folding any pair after limp-calling for half their stacks pre. I don't hate the check back on a pretty dry board, though.
AP, turn is the most obvious snap call ever. Could he have KT? Of course. He could also have AQ/JQ, undersets, combo-draws, pair plus draws, etc. Especially as he knows that you can fold TPGK. Even if he has exactly KT, you have 22% equity with your boat/quads outs.
I think the flop check is more concerning than the sizing of the preflop raise. You can only check this flop if you are checking behind instead of C-betting when you miss a lot as well. Otherwise this is what an astute player is going to pick up on.
That said I don't think the villain is the astute player we are talking about here and I think you have to snap call the turn shove for all of the reasons pointed out above.
Confused - Notam you were villain in this game? Or are you just saying that you noticed in the forum.
@JohnHHolliday - I do check sometimes when whiffing. Maybe astute players will notice, but don't think I do it that frequently. This just felt more like i crushed the flop, wanted more value, and was just not concerned with short stacked villains at all.
Yes villain had KT. I just did not see the villain open shoving this turn for 2x without the nuts. I blocked any NFD. Based on the the hour or two we played, I did not think he would shove any type of OESD, FD, two pair, etc. Even with two pair/sets, I just didn't get why he wouldn't just bet like a 2/3 PSB or something. Even after, shoving the nuts here (even though there is a FD) was weird to me for 2x the pot.
Didn't mean to make this a boohoo bad beat story... but was just thinking what range we can give a villain (who has played fairly tight and abc) when he just open shoves this turn card for 2x pot.
