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04-18-2015 , 06:54 PM
Hero ($450) mid-late 20's white guy, no gear, rec player. Haven't shown down a ton, but winning. Been at the table for close to 2 hours.

Villain (covers by a lot) late 30's white guy, very talkative. Seems competent, but is probably playing too much and takes a few weird lines. Is a fan of floating pre in blinds or limp/calling in EP and then donking flop over pre-flop raisers.

Hands of note:
Hero calls 7 pre in LP with 610ss and flop comes K63s, checks around. Turn something non-threatening and V leads, folds to hero who calls. River another sort of blank, V fires basically full pot or slightly more, hero calls and mhig. V says 'gutsy call'.

Hero raises LP with q10o, v calls from blinds. Flop Jxx V leads, hero floats. Turn ace, v bets, hero raises ~3x and v folds.


The hand:
V limps EP, 1 caller, Hero raises to 12 in LP with KK, V calls, other caller goes all-in for 21. Hero flats after a few seconds, V flats.

First debatable spot obviously, but I feel like we get more value flatting here since V will flat with 100% of his l/c range pre. If we raise any reasonable amount on top, it looks fairly strong and V will fold most of his marginal hands. He will bet and possibly overplay mid-high pairs post if he flops a Q, J, 10 or something.


Flop ($60) 742
V leads 40 into a dry side pot, hero?
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04-18-2015 , 07:07 PM
Call. He's doing this with a wide range based on your description and there is no need to narrow it here. An ace on the turn sucks a bit but we have the back door flush draw and so a heart isn't great but it isn't so terrible.
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04-18-2015 , 07:10 PM
Flat. Let him bluff at this. If heart hits, you have Kh redraw. You're only scared of sets and this V has fired air in many spots. Flat flop, raise turn. Only really scary card is non-heart A. Against a V like this, esp since you didn't re raise the limper's shove preflop, he probably doesn't have a pair. I put him on something like QJ or AJ looking to blow you off your hand.
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04-18-2015 , 07:11 PM
I go bigger pre, assuming that such sizing is not unusually large in this game. $12 is my standard open in most $1/2 games, plus $2 per limper.

Meh, I'll usually ISO here, but given V's propensity to take weird lines OOP, I can get behind a flat after the 3-bet.

Board is super dry. Raising folds out worse, and there are very few draws in his range, imo. I just plan to flat/flat/flat unless things get weird or we spike another K. I'm not trying to play for stacks here, and given the history hand I think he'll often value cut himself three streets with A7 and 88-JJ.
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04-18-2015 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dutchstreetfish
Flat flop, raise turn. <snip> he probably doesn't have a pair. I put him on something like QJ or AJ looking to blow you off your hand.
Does not compute. If you put him on air, why are you raising turn? Do you want to blow him off his air range?

Last edited by Garick; 04-18-2015 at 10:36 PM. Reason: fixed my quote
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04-18-2015 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
I just plan to flat/flat/flat unless things get weird or we spike another K. I'm not trying to play for stacks here, and given the hand history I think he'll often value cut himself three streets with A7 and 88-JJ.
Pretty much this...

In game, I probably 4-bet. Flatting with the KK's may be best against this opponent, though.
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04-19-2015 , 01:20 AM
When vil donks into pfr like this will he continue barelling? How likely is he to barrel/value own himself for 3 streets?

An EP limp/call he should have a bunch of draws here. It's really hard to smash this flop. And usually when they smash they go for the c/r. Raise/calling sounds best. Give him the chance the 3bet shove the millions of draws in his range here.
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04-19-2015 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jsmo0th10
When vil donks into pfr like this will he continue barelling? How likely is he to barrel/value own himself for 3 streets?

An EP limp/call he should have a bunch of draws here. It's really hard to smash this flop. And usually when they smash they go for the c/r. Raise/calling sounds best. Give him the chance the 3bet shove the millions of draws in his range here.
Have to assume when V leads this flop he absolutely MUST continue on basically any turn. Sizing is big enough where this isn't a blocking bet, so he's got something he's willing to at least double barrel. Haven't gotten a chance to see whether he would bet river as well. But the turn bet Is coming, so if we flat flop what's our plan on a blank turn? On a heart?
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