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11-06-2017 , 09:08 PM

Jamlana

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 148

Hero ($165): MAWG seen as conservative. Havent had much good hands for 3 orbits.

v1(covers table$$$): 30s latin male. LAG

v2($54): 40 yr old hippy style guy- not a great player

Hero UTG with 6

(stupidly )limps
7 people to the flop

Flop ($14) 6

v1 (sb) raises to $12 . v2 calls. Hero reraises to $45

other limpers fold. v1 says aloud " I gotta call" and calls. v2 calls

turn($141 after rake). K

v1 makes it $50 v2 shoves , Hero????

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11-06-2017 , 09:23 PM

flopturntree

adept

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 867

Call it off except to be beat some of the time, after flop action you can't fold on that turn

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11-06-2017 , 09:35 PM

CWsports

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,644

where’s the sticky that explains the difference between a bet, raise, and reraise?

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11-06-2017 , 09:56 PM

johnnyBuz

Carpal \'Tunnel

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Jam. Turn is a brick other then improving K

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11-07-2017 , 05:34 AM

Chicagodude

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Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 2,810

I think you're beat 50% of the time or more. The good news is you have 4 outs.

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11-07-2017 , 08:35 AM

branch0095

adept

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 928

Top and bottom on this board in a limped pot is far from a nutted hand. That said, what choice do you have now? You've put in over half your stack and you're getting about 4 to 1.

To me this is just a prime example of why you don't play speculative hands like this OOP, and definitely not by limping in. V could literally have every value combo on this board along with the plethora of possible draws.

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11-07-2017 , 08:54 AM

cxy123

adept

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 786

to be clear - V2 has a $54 starting stack? So the "shove" on the turn is really V2 calling off his last $10 or whatever is left?

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11-07-2017 , 11:59 AM

BamaWillBG

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Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 84

Quote:

Originally Posted by cxy123

to be clear - V2 has a $54 starting stack? So the "shove" on the turn is really V2 calling off his last $10 or whatever is left?

Correct. There's no shove by v2

v2 started with $54
-$2 limping preflop= $52
-$45 calling Hero's flop raise= $7

When v1 bets $50 on the turn, v2's crying call creates a side-pot of $43 for hero to decide if he wants to compete for.

Regardless, as played, I'm shoving if I'm the hero. Especially after the "I gotta call" comment.

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11-07-2017 , 12:13 PM

branch0095

adept

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 928

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Originally Posted by cxy123

to be clear - V2 has a $54 starting stack? So the "shove" on the turn is really V2 calling off his last $10 or whatever is left?

My mistake, thought V2 had Hero covered. Doesn't really matter though, H still has 2p on a draw heavy board and over half his stack already in the pot. It's just now he'll essentially be in a 3way AI with a small sidepot with V1 as opposed to being HU AI like I thought it was when I first read the thread. Top and bottom really shrinks up facing 2 Vs to showdown instead of 1, but there's still no real choice at this point.

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11-07-2017 , 12:20 PM

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TheHammer24

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Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,698

Shoving is fine here. If V2 was actually shoving for something like $150, I would have to give it some additional thought. But competing only with V1 for the $50 bet (or most of it), I think we're ahead more than we're behind. He's representing K8 or a wacky table-talking flopped straight of 9T or 54. He's going to have hands like K9 in this spot if his betting approach and your reads are correct. He might have KQ. He could have 67, 65, 98. You're just ahead of so much more than you're behind.

Also, don't limp UTG with 68s. Terrible.

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11-07-2017 , 07:30 PM

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PjureOil

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Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 7

limping limping limping as always and losing the stack, reload and limp again.

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11-07-2017 , 07:39 PM

#12

XXX555666

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Limping pre is a mistake but you know that already.

Yeah as played I just get it in here. Good turn for your exact holding.

Sure people are gonna occasionally have the flopped straights but there are tons of draws out there still. Flushes and straights. You still have equity as well even if someone did flop a straight.

As played I call here

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11-08-2017 , 12:05 AM

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Jamlana

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 148

Yes, limping was a mistake, I was in seat #1 and thought I was big blind, so my limp was accidental, as I didn't see seat 9 return from his smoke break.

I didn't see calling as an option, leaving 57 behind, isnt thisb shove or fold?

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