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1/2 - 2 hands with same rec villian 1/2 - 2 hands with same rec villian

02-28-2015 , 08:43 PM
Hero is 18 years old first time at the casino (Alberta, Canada) When hero first sat down a lady asked hero age and if it was first time so table knows hero inexperienced live but is buying in for money made online. Heros first and only hand shown down was top pair and nut flush draw and got lucky and doubled up buy in. Hero played the hand aggressive so no reason for table to think hero is tight or playing with scared money.

Main villain is late 40's sitting with 3 other older rig pigs drunk and loud. He has raised and showed down pairs like 22 and 66, 2 Broadway's, Ace rag so nothing straight junk. Villain plays very Abc and is knowledgable about hand selection and hand ranks. He did silly stuff like always showed his cards even when he knew he lost such as a missed draw or bottom pair even when he didn't have to and would never know who showed cards down first. He would constantly count chips and ask questions like who's it too and what a straddle was. As I described a straddled he laughed with his friend and said "this kid knows more then me!" So doesn't care for image just there to play. Only hands he's played is draws and he just called every street.

Hero has 33 UTG and straddles $5
Main Villain ($300) raises to $15
Villain #2 ($150)calls $15
4 folds
Hero ($400) calls $10

Flop ($45) - Ks Qh 3d

Hero ($385) bets $30
Main Villain ($285) calls $30
Villain #2 ($135) calls $30

Turn ($130) Ks Qh 3d Qc

Hero ($355) checks
Main villain ($255) bets $50
Villain #2 ($105) folds
Hero re-raises to $120
Villain calls $70

Decided to raise small because I was hoping he would re-raise all in with a Q and if not he would have only a 1/3 pot bet if called.

River ($370) Ks Qh 3d Qc Kc

Hero ($235) checks
Villain ($135) bets $135 all in
Hero ???
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Pre-flop
Button raises to $4
Hero ($220) has A4s raises to $15
Main villain ($200) calls $15
Button folds

Flop ($35) K44 rainbow

Hero ($195) bets $20
Villain ($185) raises to $60
Hero calls $40

I knew villain would only have $120 on the turn and the pot would be about $150 so I could either stack off on turn or river. I also knew he liked his hand and may be willing to get it in with a good King and there weren't many cards I didn't want to see on the turn so I called the re raise also wanting to seem weak.

Turn ($155) K44K 2 spades

Hero ($135) checks
Villain ($125) bets $125 all in
Hero ??

Last edited by Garick; 02-28-2015 at 09:13 PM.
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02-28-2015 , 09:18 PM
Welcome to the forum, OP. Please don't post results, as it biases people's responses.

Hand 1 is a puke fold. Very well played by you (except for straddling), but that river card sucks ass.

Hand 2, I GII OTF. Live V's basically never raise/fold, especially not drinking middle aged working class reg guys. As played, I puke fold again OTT. Most of his range has a K, and calling a near PSB just hoping to chop with him having to hold the case 4 to do so is not good.
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02-28-2015 , 09:30 PM
Thanks for welcome and editing post Garrick. Always thought when people said don't post results it just meant don't post what villain had but makes sense now.
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02-28-2015 , 09:33 PM
Lol both of these were hilariously bad runouts for you. Have to fold in both spots.
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02-28-2015 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BirdsallSa
Lol both of these were hilariously bad runouts for you. Have to fold in both spots.
This, freaking brutal on both hands.

Hand two great flop but I prefer a flat, you have to keep in mind there is a lot less fold equity in live games and there is so much value in making flush over flush against opponents that can't fold the 8th nut flush.
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02-28-2015 , 10:47 PM
Yeah, in both hands, puke and fold, and hope that your doomswitch goes away in future live sessions. In hand 2, I'd prefer to get it in on the flop. We hate seeing a K or A ott (the A because he might fold Kx), and he's pretty much never folding otf with the line he's taken to that point. Granted, minor difference because either way we're usually stacking him, but still.

I didn't know what "rig pig" meant until now, so thanks for that
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03-01-2015 , 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Be there!
Hero is 18 years old first time at the casino (Alberta, Canada) When hero first sat down a lady asked hero age and if it was first time so table knows hero inexperienced live but is buying in for money made online. Heros first and only hand shown down was top pair and nut flush draw and got lucky and doubled up buy in. Hero played the hand aggressive so no reason for table to think hero is tight or playing with scared money.
Stu Unger was known to play TPTK with 4 to the flush draw on the flop aggressively. That alone doesn't make it right, but maybe Stu is the kid's hero.
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03-01-2015 , 04:16 AM
I'm no pro at live poker, like yourself I'm pretty new and I'd fold both as played.
First hand if I plan on check-raising I'd probably raise closer to 140-150.
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03-01-2015 , 11:35 AM
Both are easy folds. Bad luck on what came on the board, but you have to fold these. The only thing I would do differently is in H1, I would bet after the flop and not check raise. I see why you did and maybe the way V was playing that night, it was the correct play. It probably doesn't change anything in the end but I just like betting there more times than checking.

Bad luck though. Hopefully, you folded both times and took him down later.
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03-01-2015 , 11:43 AM
I don't get the turn check raise in hand 1. You can get all the money in by betting twice. Why risk a check through?
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03-01-2015 , 12:13 PM
Yeah first hand you have to the fold river there it's almost impossible for him to be bluffing and all of his value hands beat you. I think your turn checkraise looks super strong though and Id prefer maybe a small bet between 1/4-1/2 pot so he'd be inclined to raise with any queen. If he just calls I think you can make an overbet on the river and get called with most kings given your age/image and the weak turn bet.

And I agree with Jay s for the second hand: I don't think he's going to the fold the flop, especially against you after he raises so just GII
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03-01-2015 , 12:21 PM
In the first hand, why not check raise flop? V raised preflop and this board hits his range. He's almost always going to continue and then you can check raise and gii the turn. If OR bets flop, V2 prob comes along and you can put in a healthy raise. Given that you were straddle and defended against a raise, there's no way they put you on such a big hand. And if it does somehow check through, you can bet turn, bet river.
As played, in both cases, the board run out is puke fold.
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