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Old 04-16-2018, 12:17 PM   #1
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1/2/2 Deep Against unknown 3bet pot

Currently sitting on 800 (SB)
Buyin Max - 400
Button: 400 (unknown, haven't seen much hand playing over the last 2 hours or so)

**Special note, this game allows for a killpot and the table agreed that whoever won a pot, would be entitled to it. This "kill" in a nolimit game means that you are automatically in for $5 and in order to play the table has to play for a minimum of $10 (which would be now considered a limp, crazy eh?)

***My standard raise is always 3-4x+1bb per limp and doesn't change relative to hand strength. When its a kill pot, my opening raise is 3x plus 1 per limp

Table history - I've been table captain for the last 6 hours. They've seen me stick it in with pair and FD combo's, as well as TPTK or two pair. I keep chipping up and because of that the table has gone from opening the standard 3-4x to open limping. I've also shown that I'm not in love with hands. (Folded a few hands face up)


On to the hand (kill pot)
UTG open limps - $10
UTG+1 limps - $10
rest fold till
Button: Raises to $40 (This has been his first big boy raise in the last 2 hours)
SB (Me) - Looks down at AK Raises to $120
Fold, Fold

Button Calls ($280 behind)


Pot ($267)
Flop AK7

I'm obviously WAY ahead of his range here. With what appears to be an easy shove and a game, should I be slowing down and allowing him to bet? Should I be betting here? If so how much?

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Old 04-16-2018, 12:30 PM   #2
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Re: 1/2/2 Deep Against unknown 3bet pot

Were obviously looking to stackoff here, so its just a question on picking the best way to masage in our stack over 2 streets.

I like a somewhat modest C-bet on the flop since that is expected from you as the 3 bettor/last aggressor (to suck villain further into the pot, and building it so villain will feel more emotionally attached to the big pot when we reach the turn and its stackoff time). Since you are percieved as the table captain and table is used to you being aggressive, thats even bigger arguments for betting this flop instead of checking to trap.If villain doesent ship flop on you and just calls, we are jamming in the rest on the turn.

Something around same as your preflop 3 bet should be fine as a C bet, 120 ish.
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:01 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2/2 Deep Against unknown 3bet pot

Would really like to know more about villain in this situation. Trying to nurse villain in with $50 on the flop could be best if villain can't fold one pair. Something $100-$125 may be best against a more typical villain as it looks like a standard c-bet. Just shoving the flop may be best of villain will hero call light when your play looks bluffy. Even a check may be best of villain will get bluffy or attached to hand if you don't bet the flop.

Absent any clue I like $100 on flop. Something hard to fold too if he has a hand but sets up a turn/river shove.
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:02 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2/2 Deep Against unknown 3bet pot

I probably bet really small to get him to put money when he's way behind. Maybe like 80-90.
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:07 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2/2 Deep Against unknown 3bet pot

Is this a home game?
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Old 04-17-2018, 02:29 AM   #6
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Re: 1/2/2 Deep Against unknown 3bet pot

Why are we showing hands we don't have to show?
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Old 04-17-2018, 03:28 AM   #7
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Re: 1/2/2 Deep Against unknown 3bet pot

I would check flop but if you don't do that at all i'd bet 1/3 pot.
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Old 04-17-2018, 05:30 AM   #8
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Re: 1/2/2 Deep Against unknown 3bet pot

You could just call pre against a guy who hasn't raised in 2 hours and let the limpers stick around with worse aces and kings. I don't think our hand is very valuable when we get action from this guy oop. If it was suited i would most likely call. Off i am more likely to 3 bet but I'm not sure what i want to happen, apart from flopping 2 pair. I feel like this is a semibluf, really. Which is ok. Taking it down pre is good.

What boards are you c-betting? If his range is very pp heavy and you usually cbet i think you lose money.

Anyway i like a small bet too. He might call pretty wide. If he feels really weak you can make silly small bets on each street and "force" him to call. Depends on the guy.

Also, classic spot where you don't want to give a free card to 2 and 4 outers that are done with the hand unless they hit for free and then double up.
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Old 04-17-2018, 06:00 AM   #9
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Re: 1/2/2 Deep Against unknown 3bet pot

Another merit to calling pre is we are perhaps in the best position to steal post. By cold calling the initial raiser we look to have a ton of speculative hands that could connect with any flop. First to act, prob 4 ways, a check from us wpuld be natural with a big hand. The PFR and often the other players will be straightforward. The limpers will often be weak. We will often have outs when behind.
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Old 04-17-2018, 11:40 PM   #10
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Re: 1/2/2 Deep Against unknown 3bet pot

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Old 04-17-2018, 11:47 PM   #11
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Re: 1/2/2 Deep Against unknown 3bet pot

$80-$100 OTF; the rest OTT.

Checking is okay, but I prefer betting.

Sounds like a good game.
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Old 04-18-2018, 12:57 AM   #12
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Re: 1/2/2 Deep Against unknown 3bet pot

I'm not sure it matters all that much, to be honest. he's going to fold QQ, JJ type of hands unless he binks. He has no combo draws. He probably isn't folding AQ. You're going to pay off AA, KK, and tie AK. How many QJ/JT hands are in his range if he hasn't raised in two hours?

I lean bet to stop him from set mining the turn with QQ and JJ

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Old 04-18-2018, 12:59 AM   #13
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$80-$100 OTF; the rest OTT.

Checking is okay, but I prefer betting.

Sounds like a good game.
the game sounds dreadful to play, wait for big hands and pound them pre and OTF given how low the effective stacks are at all times. $10 minimum to come in? How many people in this game are even sitting on what are effectively 60 big blinds ($600)?

I'm sure some people probably play hilariously bad, limping for $10 all the time with bingo hands to "see pots", but that doesn't mean I'd enjoy sitting there waiting for top 10% hands
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