posting this here because it's where it belongs.

game is 9-handed at the moment, effective stacks ~$215.

Hero is SB with AdQd

guy in EP limps, chick in MP limps, CO limps, I raise to $12. It folds around to CO who calls.

flop is 3d 4d 6c (pot $30ish)

I lead for $25, CO thinks briefly and calls.

turn Qs

Hero checks?

What's the purpose of checking compared to betting?

bet turn shove river

bet like 45 on the turn and 100 on the river

new live low limit forum imo

bet

You wanna check raise and are willing to call a shove?

open fold

pot the turn always

Pot,pot,shove.

Agree with betting the turn, why wouldn't you?

no reason to check the turn. no way in hell this guy has 57 or 52. lead turn for $50 - $65 and shove river.

think his range is substantially more crap than hands that beat me. don't think i'm going to get 3 streets of value from his range. i don't really fear any free cards, and if he's floating me on the flop it gives him a chance to bluff.

feel free to tell me why this is bad. fwiw if the flop only had one/zero diamonds, i would definitely bet the turn.

So if a non-diamond 7 or 2 comes on the river - what do you do?

$16-18 pre. Bet flop. Bet turn. Shove most rivers. Your gonna get value out of drawing hands. I hate giving a free card to a straight draw. If he is on a frush draw then sweet we have the nuts and we hope it hits but its more than likey a non spade will hit the river (assuming card removal) and we need to get value while we still can. If a brick rivers hes never calling you on a missd draw. The only hand that may level is a pair of sixes but its unlikely

Looks like about $80 in pot with about $170 behind for each player. So if you make a 1/2 pot bet here, say $40, he can make a bad call if he has a pair and thinks you are bluffing or has a draw. Or he can simply lay down, which is fine. pot is decent size.

Let's say he calls, the pot is $160 on river and you each have $130 behind. Now you can bet another $40 for value, since hands that will call a shove will beat top pair. If you hit your flush, you prob. need to do the same thing.

The advantage of checking turn is when he does have a set he'll likely make a bet you can call and see a river. Whereas if he has a set and you bet, he's likely to shove raise. But sets are rare.

So yeah, rather than give free cards to his float, I'd bet for value.

I'd need a pretty strong read to check the turn since live players just don't often choose to fire instead of taking a free card. Not really afraid of being beat here since you can't do anything but commit with those stack sizes unless its a really bad river.

This. Make it more after multiple limpers, this isn't Pokerstars multitabling, stick the idea of 3xBB+1BB per limper in the muck. Flop looks good, now bet turn.

I agree with more pre, however, OP might know more about this table than we do - I've seen some pretty nitty sh*t at 1-2 where people were folding for $6-8. In this case, $12 folded out 2/3 the field. But yes, in general definitely make it more with 3 limpers, you want to take it down pre or get 1 caller. AQ OOP for the entire hand in a bloated pot is not fun.

I tend to agree with this as well. His range that we beat isn't likely to call 3 barrels. I like throwing in a curveball once in a while, esp. since we should have this hand more or less wrapped up. If you are pretty sure you're being floated (ie., u & villain have a history or he's habitually just calling IP to float) then go for the CR OTT - why not? He likely called the flop with a hand like 77, 22, 55, 88.. in which case he's got at most 8 outs with 1 card to come, but far less on average. He could have something like 8c8h in which case he's got 1 out. 8 outs is the most he can have and not already have us beat.

ABC strategy def. says bet the turn, but depending on the villain and history and villain's range, I'm not against trying to induce the turn. A check here by Hero usually screams "I've got AK and was c-betting the flop.. feel free to blow me off my hand". Also, if I know I'm getting called down because villain never folds a pair to me (maybe we bluffed him and showed 5 hands ago), I'm betting the turn fo' sho', but I don't see great harm in checking - if we have a decent read on his tendencies and range.

I bet the turn.

I bet $50 OTT

yea I don't see why you would check here. that's pretty bad.

we are never folding this hand after hitting the turn. go for all the value you can.

I don't mind checking turn against super-agro or super-nitty players. Barring that read, bet turn.

I have a question about hands that start like this, in this hand for instance how bad is it for the SB to just limp in with AQs?

- OP's raise is fine to me but is the minimum I'd ever raise here.. I'd probably make it $15 to $17

- I'm an average player and probably just a super nit but I hate making a raise of $7 to $12 pre flop knowing most 1/2 players are gonna call and you're more than likely going to build a big pot and play OOP with AQ

Am I completely off with this thinking?