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07-07-2017 , 03:31 PM
Hero: $300 on button.
Villain 1: MAWG in SB, covers Hero
Villain 2: Younger guy in BB on short stack at $107

3 limpers, Hero raises to $16 w/ AA and get 4 callers.

Pot ~ $80
Flop 7h, 6d, 4h.

Villain 1 leads for $55, Villain 2 calls.

Hero?
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07-07-2017 , 03:34 PM
Seems like a pretty simple fold. Terrible flop for AA.

Any reads?

Start raising more unless $16 with limpers usually gets a few folds.
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07-07-2017 , 03:40 PM
This is a little iffy of a spot, but I think we can't fold yet.

We have a benefit of having the short stack player in the hand. I think we can pretty confidently call here and fold to any further action other than by the short stack.

I don't think we can straight up fold just yet. Shortstack can have a wide range and MAWG can have a lot of overpairs.
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07-07-2017 , 03:59 PM
We still have two players behind us. The only card we hope to see on the turn is an A, not the A of hearts if we don't have it, and we still might be behind.

I mean, I guess you can call, but half the deck is pretty bad for us.
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07-07-2017 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
I mean, I guess you can call, but half the deck is pretty bad for us.
Sure it's not a great spot, I agree. If the short stacked guy was much deeper I think that makes this a fold, but with him being short, I think we can leverage that to make V1 play very straightforward on the turn, not betting anything that we don't beat.
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07-07-2017 , 04:31 PM
I'm not ready to fold yet to a bet I would have made if I had opened after the flop. As mentioned above, there are enough hands to could make and call this bet that we still beat. That said, I'm not loving what I have any more.
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07-07-2017 , 04:34 PM
Do you have the Ah?

I don't care about villain 2, could be ahead or behind but he's too sort for it to affect my thought process.

I find this to be a fairly common spot at 1/2 and honestly seems like a breakeven spot. Villains can often have overpair and think they are good, or they can have flopped the goods and you are screwed. So my goal normally is to find out which is which as cheaply as possible.

Folding is ok and low variance you have a really good shot to lost this pot.

In 1/2 I think I would peel 1 card. If turn is not a heart, 3, 7 or 8 I bet very large when checked to. If villain 1 leads again I would try to read if it is a defensive bet with a made hand (2 pair or set trying to push out FDs) or an "I'm on a draw so trying to set my own price" bet.

I think villain would bomb flopped 2pair+ on a blank turn so can safely fold if she bets huge. If she bets small (like <100) I'm probably shoving.
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07-08-2017 , 02:24 AM
Are we folding to $30 too? $40?
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07-08-2017 , 05:57 AM
I'd probably jam it in there
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07-10-2017 , 09:38 AM
There are still two other players in the hand. I assume they fold on flop, but they are still in the game as we are making this decision. Too bad OP didn't mention their tendencies, stacks, positions, etc.
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07-10-2017 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
There are still two other players in the hand. I assume they fold on flop, but they are still in the game as we are making this decision. Too bad OP didn't mention their tendencies, stacks, positions, etc.
They folded to V1's bet. Hero is on the button meaning every player was ahead of him. V1 led out. V2 called. Somewhere in there, the other 2 callers pre-flop folded out. Hero is either closing the action (call, fold) or raising.

Without more of a description of V1 other than MAWG, I am probably raising here more often than not with multiple players on average stack sizes. Typically at 1/2, most donk bets on the flop are not nutted hands. V1 is likely on a draw and occasionally has a pair to go with it.

The main detractor from raising here , for me, is probably the short stack. I don't expect V2 to fold. V2 is almost always committed at this point. If I call, its with the intent of building a sizeable side pot if the turn bricks (or appears to brick).
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07-10-2017 , 05:04 PM
Super standard fold once 2nd guy calls. No way you want to play a huge pot here on the turn and be happy.
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07-10-2017 , 05:47 PM
i go all-in and feel good about it.
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07-10-2017 , 06:12 PM
Hey, what is MAWG?
Thanks
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07-10-2017 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Leha
Hey, what is MAWG?
Thanks
middle-aged white guy
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07-10-2017 , 06:53 PM
I feel I'm ahead in this spot but under not a favorite to end up with the best hand. There is probably enough overlay that it is +EV to GII here. I think a more +EV line is to call and GII after a blank turns. We may still even be able to call after a heart depending on the action to us if we have Ah.
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07-10-2017 , 07:52 PM
You preflop bet was too small in relation to the effectives. You cannot commit and go to the river with such a small preflop bet and $300 behind on such a wet board. I would fold. Even if I'm folding the best hand in this small pot. Not a big deal. Yes, I fold. I'm willing to make a small mistake in a small pot. Even a big huge mistake in a small pot it's still a small mistake. No matter how we slice it. Here is the classic example where the nonsense makes sense. (LOL)
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07-11-2017 , 09:34 AM
Flat flop and play turn. Too early to fold on this board.
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07-11-2017 , 03:08 PM
I was new to the table, so I didn't have any reads or player tendencies. This was actually my first hand played, third hand dealt after starting in the BB.

I did not have the Ah.
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