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12-18-2013 , 11:34 PM
I'm pretty sure I play this hand incorrectly.

V: 30ish, Middle Easterner, A Reg. He will limp in EP w/ K3s and A4s, opened to 15 in MP w/ AT versus 1 limper, Iso'ed in MP w/ A8's, has attempted to steal in CO versus 1 limper w/ 87o. In terms of post play, he bet the flush draw on the turn in a limped pot. He is very capable of folding and can hand read. He has $200.

Hero: Late 20's Asian. I play many hands, usually for a raise, but occasional limp. I've been c-betting flops where I"m the pfr. I've been three betting with a wide range (at least 4 times in the last hour) In these pots, I've also been c-betting. In 3b pots, I've shown air, as well as the best hand. Villain has said that he respects my game. I cover

Eff: $200

Folds to V in MP and he raises to $18. Folds to me on btn. I 3b w/ AQo to $40. He calls after some though.

~80. Q84r.
Check Check


~80. Q84r 6 completes rainbow
V bets $50. I call.

~180. Q8463.
V bets $50. I call.

Standard play would be bet 1/2-2/3 pot on the flop and get it in on the turn?
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12-18-2013 , 11:36 PM
$60 flop/shove turn. Collect money.
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12-18-2013 , 11:44 PM
Standard play would be to bet flop and turn, but you have clearly chosen not to take a standard line. So, I'd be interested to hear why, especially when you have regularly been c-betting as PFR. I mean, generally you are taking a line of "under-repping" against a Villain who will either: (1) attempt to steal a pot with "air"; or (2) overvalue his pair-hand against what he perceives to be A high. In the end, the question I'm asking is: Have you lost value by taking this non-standard line? It is significant that 3/4 of effective stacks are in the pot by the river, as the hand was played.

Last edited by DrTJO; 12-18-2013 at 11:54 PM.
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12-18-2013 , 11:51 PM
Why in the world did you check the flop?

After checking the flop I don't hate your line. But I would probably shove the river. He's not folding any of his value range and I think we are ahead of enough of it to get the rest of the money in.

But seriously, bet the flop. If anything, if he is a decent hand reader he will be more likely to assume you have a relatively strong hand if you check the flop back than if you bet it.

Especially when you call the turn. I think your idea was to get him to bluff into you. But that's just rarely the right thing to do. That's a super dry flop and its one that you would presumably usually be cbetting with most of your range. Suddenly checking it back is fairly suspicious.
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12-18-2013 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
$60 flop/shove turn. Collect money.
He is being led into. Also I wouldn't 3b this pre. He isn't opening like a spastic although he's limping too many hands.
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12-18-2013 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by spooner90
He is being led into. Also I wouldn't 3b this pre. He isn't opening like a spastic although he's limping too many hands.
I mean he seems to open a pretty wide range in relatively late position. The real question is what his calling range looks like. I assume this kind of player is calling pretty wide, so the 3bet seems fine.

He is saying $60 flop/shove turn as a counterfactual assuming that villain c/c our flop bet and checks to hero on the turn.
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12-18-2013 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by spooner90
He is being led into. Also I wouldn't 3b this pre. He isn't opening like a spastic although he's limping too many hands.
V checked flop.
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12-19-2013 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by PositiveEV
Standard play would be bet 1/2-2/3 pot on the flop and get it in on the turn?
So post your reasoning behind not taking the standard line? You've got an aggro image, so use it and get villain to pay you off with worse. Nothing about villian's description suggests he's the type to bluff off his stack after you check back the flop, so just go for value. Don't think anyone can suggest otherwise without you posting your reasoning for taking this line.
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12-19-2013 , 12:33 AM
It's a 3 bet pot and you have TPTK. Bet 50-60ish and shove as stated. The check on the flop is bad especially if you are c betting air in 3 bet flops. Don't play differently when you have a hand just contine your line. Bet bet
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12-19-2013 , 01:36 AM
half pot - bet- bet
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12-19-2013 , 04:26 AM
If you've been C-betting air and it's been shown, why check the flop against someone who knows you've been c-betting air? If you are trying to disguise your hand, I like a bet-check-bet line here. Put yourself in V's shoes OOP with 1 pair vs. a bet-check-bet line.
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12-19-2013 , 12:48 PM
cbet 40, turn bet 75, river bet 175 for value so he still calls his Qx
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12-19-2013 , 02:43 PM
What are you ranging him for pre when he goes 18 unopened? He hasn't gone that high over a limper yet.
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12-19-2013 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DrTJO
Standard play would be to bet flop and turn, but you have clearly chosen not to take a standard line. So, I'd be interested to hear why, especially when you have regularly been c-betting as PFR. I mean, generally you are taking a line of "under-repping" against a Villain who will either: (1) attempt to steal a pot with "air"; or (2) overvalue his pair-hand against what he perceives to be A high. In the end, the question I'm asking is: Have you lost value by taking this non-standard line? It is significant that 3/4 of effective stacks are in the pot by the river, as the hand was played.
I had a brain fart on this hand and did not think it through. I'm pretty sure I only thought about this hand pre-flop and then my brain turned off right after that.

I murdered this hand, just as I suspected.
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12-19-2013 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jack492505
I mean he seems to open a pretty wide range in relatively late position. The real question is what his calling range looks like. I assume this kind of player is calling pretty wide, so the 3bet seems fine.

He is saying $60 flop/shove turn as a counterfactual assuming that villain c/c our flop bet and checks to hero on the turn.
To me, his opening range is almost all of his calling range. I would expect him to have pocket pairs, 2 broadways, and suited connectors 78s+.
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