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04-25-2010 , 08:06 AM
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£1/£1 cash game 5 handed, other 4 players are all passive pf and not deep thinking players and over the last 20 mins iv been playing extremely aggressive pf and mixing in a lot of cbets + delayed cbets which have been mostly getting through, i think they see me as aggressive but dont expect me to ever put my money in without the goods. Iv also shown down a few hands where i have flopped a monster and bet it on the flop i.e. AQ on a AA10 board, this is significant because in this game the players always slowplay flopped big hands it's like an unwritted rule so they were confused when they saw my hand. Onto the hand:

I have about £300 in front of me opponent has about £80 in front. I raise to £4 in CO with K 9, BB calls. I expect a wide range of calling since she was visibly commenting on how aggressive i'v been playing; she plays a moderately tight aggressive style which serves her well in low stakes tourneys but is ineffective in cash games as she often plays her hands face up and i dont think she is a winner in the games.

Flop: 9 8 7 (Pot £9)

She checks (i expect 100% of her range to do so) i cbet £7, slightly larger than normal because of the wet board (i cbet small in these games because the players call if they hit and fold if they dont so a small bet is as profitable as a larger one). She raises me to £16, i call. I thought she put me on air and decided to take a stab as my initial response and i know she may be capable of semi-bluffing in this spot, i also feel most value hands would raise more to protect their hand?

Turn: 8 (Pot £41)

She bets £16, this is a bizzare bet but underbets have not been uncommon. I then raised to £45, i know she will very rarely have a house since she would only bet 77 on that turn. I thought this is a good turn card to bluff because im pretty sure my hand is no good anymore but i also feel that she will not call me without a house despite my image because we generally do not play large pots together. In retrospect i think this may be a weak arguement since im not sure if she would fold a flush as she has a reluctancy to fold in larger pots.

As a side not i felt flatting the turn was not an option because there are so many bad rivers that i will probably have to fold to - anything above a 9 / a diamond / 6 / 5 / 7.

Would love to hear your thoughts on how i played the hand, her calling range on the turn and my general strategy throughout
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04-25-2010 , 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by YouCheckRaise
I thought this is a good turn card to bluff because im pretty sure my hand is no good anymore but i also feel that she will not call me without a house despite my image because we generally do not play large pots together.
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Originally Posted by YouCheckRaise
In retrospect i think this may be a weak arguement since im not sure if she would fold a flush as she has a reluctancy to fold in larger pots.
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04-25-2010 , 08:28 AM
Fold on the flop, especially with a read that she plays her hands face up. Bluffing on the turn is spew.
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04-25-2010 , 10:24 AM
After her flop raise I'm not sure if this is a value hand.

What makes you think this player can fold a straight, let alone a flush? I think you answered this one yourself: you were probably over optimistic to think you had much FE. Would she consider the pot big? Because you said she has trouble laying down hands in big pots.
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04-25-2010 , 06:57 PM
I dont think she would c/r and lead so small with a straight which made me think her hand was weak
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04-25-2010 , 07:08 PM
I think you can get away cheaply when she bets anything into that scary board. There's almost nothing you beat besides a spazily played Ad7 or T9, so I'd prefer calling down if you really must continue, but cheers if you got max value from those hands. She really can't fold the flush, straight or even trip 8's with half her stack in the middle already regardless of your image, so the risk in your raise/bluff is much higher than the reward in this case, imo.
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04-27-2010 , 12:04 AM
it's her stack size that would have me worried. You said yourself she's reluctant to fold, and if she does have the straight or a flush, why would this possibly change? Even if she's bluffed before, her line here doesn't seem like she's making a move, especially since she's so short compared to you.

I would fold to her c/r on the flop, unless she's shown a propensity to do this with anything but a strong/made hand.
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04-27-2010 , 12:14 AM
Don't mind flatting the flop and the turn, players will do this a lot with weaker 9s. Reeval and fold to a big bet on the river.

Don't raise the turn, for all the reasons mentioned above. She's not folding a hand which beats yours.
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04-27-2010 , 09:28 AM
Results: She had trip 8's, flatted my turn raise and then open shoved the river (9)
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04-27-2010 , 11:06 AM
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Results: She had trip 8's, flatted my turn raise and then open shoved the river (9)
You rivered top boat? Oh, lol - such fun.

Again, I'd much rather flat the small turn bet and try to shovel more money into the pot if I river nines full on the river (which may make villain fold, the Zeebo theorem doesn't seem to apply quite as well live).
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