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Old 08-19-2018, 11:17 AM   #1
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1/1, QQ OOP in 3b pot

I have 100BB, villain covers.

Villain is a donkey on a heater, called a 3bet from me OOP w K4o earlier in the night. He checked 235, bet J, bet A river. Pretty aggressive but he's running good.

I pick up QQ in the SB, villain raises to 6, one call, I 3b to 26 w QQ. V calls

Flop AJ3 (~£60)

I have £73 remaining. What's the play?
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Old 08-19-2018, 11:26 AM   #2
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Re: 1/1, QQ OOP in 3b pot

Jam it in. V called with a wide range preflop that doesn't have a Ace. We might be flipping here but we are ahead.

I said that we are flipping here but even if V calls 3bet preflop 40% of the time, we are still ahead 13%+ of the time.

V is very probably calling our 3bet more than 40% of the time. So, don't take the 40% literally

Also, if V would call even larger bets preflop, just make it even bigger then

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Old 08-19-2018, 11:50 AM   #3
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Re: 1/1, QQ OOP in 3b pot

The 3bet is too small, 30-35.

I like a x/call otf. But shoving can't be terrible.
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Old 08-19-2018, 01:08 PM   #4
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Re: 1/1, QQ OOP in 3b pot

Check flop is standard. Then decide.
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Old 08-19-2018, 02:59 PM   #5
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Re: 1/1, QQ OOP in 3b pot

Against said player bet small, like $25, then shove most (all?) turn cards.
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:25 AM   #6
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Re: 1/1, QQ OOP in 3b pot

Flip a coin between betting small and checking, both are OK. Bet small probably best. You can't fold under any circumstances.

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Jam it in. V called with a wide range preflop that doesn't have a Ace. We might be flipping here but we are ahead.

I said that we are flipping here but even if V calls 3bet preflop 40% of the time, we are still ahead 13%+ of the time.
These are good reasons to not fold, but they're not reasons to shove.
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Old 08-20-2018, 10:42 AM   #7
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Re: 1/1, QQ OOP in 3b pot

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Flip a coin between betting small and checking, both are OK. Bet small probably best. You can't fold under any circumstances.



These are good reasons to not fold, but they're not reasons to shove.
Hey Chris,

Thanks for correcting me Appreciate it
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Old 08-21-2018, 09:28 AM   #8
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Re: 1/1, QQ OOP in 3b pot

So what do we do when we check and villain bets 30? Or is it just a Ďgo with your readí moment.....

I get in spots like this a lot live 3betting JJ+ OOP and the ace comes against fish, im working on it but thought this was an interesting spot with a PSB left against a whale. Shoving turns out hand into a bluff, c/fing seems insanely weak, c/c seems hopeful. Betting seems spewy...my flatmate tells me to just flat pre anything less than KK cos the games are so soft you donít have to worry about a 3b range being exploited, sometimes itís hard to argue...but then how can we not share be money in against a whale with a hand like this knowing he calls so wide and we crush so always...
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Old 08-21-2018, 09:58 AM   #9
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Re: 1/1, QQ OOP in 3b pot

When the pot gets close to the size of effective stack and you have a reasonable hand the time for decisions is past. You've just gotta go with it. What you should be thinking about on this flop is not whether you're good or not, but how to get villain to put money in the pot with as weak a range as possible.

It is inevitable that you'll lose some hands but it is not possible for villain to call pre speculatively and profit. Assume he had Ax. He had to call $20 pre and he's less than 1 in 5 to hit an ace (~18%) and stands to win less than $100 from you when he hits. Even if he won 100% of the time when he hit an ace that still wouldn't be good enough, and he's not even close to winning 100% of the time. You can just hit a Q or just have AK and beat him that way. Not to mention that he could also just have Jx here.
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