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10-16-2014 , 08:00 AM
Hello Everyone,

Firstly sorry for my bad english. there is a strange game in my town and i would like to ask you what is the most profitable play in this game. game is played no limit. sb: $1 and bb is also: $1. the minimum buyin: $50. sometimes 6 sometimes 9 players or 7 - 8. everybody sits with $50 maybe 1 or 2 sits with $100 but after 1 or 2 hours they have $100 - $150 approximately. there is no maximum limit. you can even sit with $1.000.

all hands, everybody limps. if i make it $15, 5 players call but sometimes 2 players call but at least 2 players. when they raise before the flop the make it $6 or $10.

they always chase flushes and straights no matter how big or small. some of them never fold to a cbet with their 54o on a QT5 rainbow flop. and they almost everytime show their hands. for example they have 45o on a 67J rainbow flop. they call the cbet and the turn bet and fold after river bet because they didnt hit and after the hand they show their hand and say how can i fold? they think they have the nuts. if they have KcTcs on Ac6c2d flop, they are sure they are going to win, they can bet their house on that flop.

And they will never raise you if they don't have a big made hand. If they are raising you they have a big made hand coz they show you after the hand. It is a very easy fold if you have AA on T82 rainbow flop and they reraise you after the flop. On this flop if they have a pair they call you if they have a draw they call you if they have 2p or a set they will raise you.

And the game is played very fast and 8-9 hours each time and 3 times in a week. So, how should my play be in this game? How much my buyin should be? How much bankroll? And how much do you think i can make in this game playing solid ABC poker? Any other comments are appreciated. Thank you.

Last edited by Garick; 10-18-2014 at 04:01 AM. Reason: added paragraphs
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10-16-2014 , 04:28 PM
Paragraphs are your friends (seriously, this it probably too time-consuming to read for most -- not the English, but the layout).

I skimmed, but value-town them (bet when you are ahead and let them call you down) and fold if you know you are beat. Get paid on your big hands. Raise premiums pre-flop and play good roi hands. Pay attention to everything they show (take notes) and learn them as individuals.

Sounds like a great game if it really is played this way!

I would by in at least $100.
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10-16-2014 , 08:36 PM
Buy in to cover everyone.

Nut peddle and value bet hard.

tone down bluffing frequency
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10-16-2014 , 11:29 PM
1. Dont limp. Punish the limpers when you play a hand. Make them pay to play their garbage hands. Watch with glee as they fold in frustration and abandon their limps.
2. Play position poker. Avoid spec hands before HJ, including sooted broadways (as sexy as they are).
3. Avoid bluffing, especially multiway. As you said, they don't fold.

Games like this can be profitable for sure, as long as you're catching hands. Play tight, avoid marginal spots. If you find yourself card dead, rack it up and come back some other time. Good luck.
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10-17-2014 , 02:32 PM
Tight is right. When everyone at your table is super loose, tighten up. Just like in a tight passive game playing looser is better. As stated before me, punish the limpers and do not get suckered into their limp/call weak game. If they want to draw and will not fold for anything, charge them the absolute max to do so. Big value bets will be the bread and butter for you. Also, if they are very passive, bet/folding is a very good play to have in your game as well. If you get a lot of aggression towards you, you're usually behind (like you said). Also, this might be obvious, play your big pots in position.

As far as bankroll and buy in, definitely buy in for at least 100 big blinds (100$). You'll want to have your opponents covered to get the most value possible when you get your big hands. Bankroll is something that varies as some people say you should have 20 buy ins, some say 40 and even higher. If this game is as weak as you say it is and you are clearly better than your opponents, 10 buy ins isn't a horrible place to start in my opinion.

Overall, be patient! You don't have to win every hand and play every hand like everyone else. Wait for your spots, and be aggressive! Do this and you'll be building a nice bankroll off of this game in no time

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10-17-2014 , 02:43 PM
Buy in for $300 or a big enough amount to where you the biggest stack.

Play tight aggressive and make them pay to chase their draws.

You mention they don't fold easily and love to chase so use that to your advantage.

Don't chase yourself or you will find yourself playing the same as they do.

Understand the difference between chasing with 54 on a 67J board, vs flopping the nut flush draw with KJ.

Good luck
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10-18-2014 , 01:50 AM
id want to buyin for 200-300 in this game

have a bankroll of atleast 20buyins, this game is going to give you high variance since they never fold draws.

play a good TAG style , raise big preflop for value and to narrow the field to HU or 3 way . open super tight from ep loosen up as you get to the btn. value bet huge postflop 3/4pot - overbets
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10-18-2014 , 04:16 AM
Questions are very general, perhaps to general to create good discussion, but I'll leave it open for now.

How to win in this game = show down the best hand. Buy in for 200BBs, even early in the game. Others may start to imitate you, and it will then play deep sooner. The deeper you can play in this game, the better.

I totally disagree with bulls_horn, here. If they are as predictable as you say and as willing to overpay post flop, then I think overlimping speculative hands is very good play. I've played in games like this, and the amount of money you can make when you overflush someone, or even just hit 2pair and keep getting called by one pair, even in a limped pot, is just ridiculous.

Position becomes less important, as you already have a lot of the information that position would usually give you.

Just value bet relentlessly, and very large, when you have TPGK+ (on most boards, relative hand strength matters a lot in this game) and don't bet at all when you don't. Take lots of free cards when drawing. Semi bluffing will rarely be your friend, as they won't fold and when you do hit, you can often get big value after you hit, especially if you overflush someone.

Bluff almost never, and when you do it should pretty much only be on the river when you have a good read that V was drawing, but you don't have enough show-down value to beat their drawing hand.

This game is a gold mine, but is very boring when you are not hitting hands. The similar game that I played in was good for about 15bbs/hr over a decent sample size. The variance is not all that high, but even if you play a value only strategy, you will go on down-swings occasionally. I'd want at least a one thousand BB bankroll to play in this game, and would prefer 4.
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10-18-2014 , 05:01 PM
Don't really bluff

Buy in with enough to cover V's

Value bet, value bet, value bet. Fold TPGK type hands to reraise aggression but bet it three streets if you're not raised
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