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1/1 deep, value bet or check call river? 1/1 deep, value bet or check call river?

01-02-2018 , 08:42 AM
Hero - early 20s white guy
V1 - 30ish white guy, unknown to hero
v2 - mid 20’s white guy, potential wannabe reg

Hero is possibly perceived to be a little bit tight but have played under an hour with both villains so likely no real image. V1 is entirely unknown to hero, V2 and his friend were ridiculing someone who left the table after they badly misplayed a hand and used the term ‘balancing his calling range’. Seems to me quite an obvious wannabe reg who doesn’t really understand how live poker works.

Stacks are £450 effective.

OTTH

Hero is utg with KTss and opens 5
Middle aged weak tight fish calls UTG1
V1 in HJ 3b to 20
V2 cold calls btn
Hero calls (really want to keep fish in the pot)
UTG1 (fish) folds

Flop - T33hh £67
Hero checks
V1 £40
V2 calls
Hero calls

Turn - 6s - T33hh6 - £187

Checks round

River - 2d - T33hh6s2d - £187

Hero ?

At this point my thoughts were

1) we have the most draws here so are most likely to bluff so Can value bet slightly thinner
2) V1 very unlikely to have an overpair, likely will check through and is unlikely to bluff when the draws missed.
3) V2 is a wannabe reg and likely wants to hero call to show how good he is. After cold calling pre I expect he has lots of 88-JJ and some TXs, a range we do pretty well vs.

A) Fold pre? I play in somewhat tough games compared to the norm as far as I can tell but I think it’s too tight to fold here vs the 3b given the odds were getting and how straight forward people tend to play post flop (turn/river especially)

B) I think in the past I’ve taken too passive lines, I’ll opt to check call in spots where I should be going for value which is something I’m looking to work on.

Apologies for any typos or if it’s difficult to read, I’m posting off my phone.


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01-02-2018 , 09:20 AM
Fold KTs UTG rather than opening with the initial raise.

After our raise, a 3bet and a call behind, I like calling the 3bet. Our hand is deceptive and can flop big this deep and having 3 people in the hand will help keep them honest.

Flop and turn are fine.

I like a bet/fold of £120 into £186 on the river for thin value. Villain 2 seems like the kind of guy to put us on a polarised range and call us down with Tx, 99, 88. I don't see him checking back the turn with JJ or QQ often. Even if he folds, he may see the bet as fishy and choose to pay us off light later.
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01-02-2018 , 09:38 AM
Probably open folding this UTG. In very passive games you can limp. Would take a pretty special situation to open raise.

Folding to a 3 bet for sure. You raised UTG which strengthens the 3bet and it's much easier for you to make second best hands than for either of the other 2. This is one is a good scenario for you, and here you are giving them a free river card and then trying to thread a needle because you are OOP with a marginal hand.

The flop might also be a fold. You are just screwed against AA, KK and TT and unlikely to win much more if you suck out against QQ or JJ. Hearts are tough for you. But I suppose there are enough times you are beating them both because this is such a good cbet board. AQ cbets, hearts or 88/99 call in position, or maybe V2 is some guy with a french canadian chef planning to bluff hearts. I doubt either of them have AT too much. JTs maybe? And does AQ 3 bet an UTG raise that often? Is 5 a smaller than normal open, which might widen the 3 bettors range?

I agree that the river is a value bet targeting middle PPs from V2. It does look kind of like a bluff from you. I don't think he is checking JJ on the turn, but probably 77-99.

The amount bet depends a lot on the nature of the V and your games in general. In my games, I'd bet smaller, to make the call enticing. But in your games, against this guy, maybe you could bet like 140. From his POV, it might seem odd that someone would bet a T that heavy and 3s are unlikely as is 66. You could show up here with JJ, TT or QQ. In fact, that would make more sense than a T with a raise call UTG. But it wouldn't be shocking for him to call if he is a wannabe.

Still, for me, it's less than half pot.
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01-02-2018 , 09:50 AM
Appreciate the thoughts on pre, transitioning from online to live so will think about tightening my ranges up a bit oop. how much does the likelihood that we’ll be 3b factor into decisions to open? FWIW K9s is a snap fold, KJs snap open, KTs game dependent?

The raise size is quite standard for the game with the rake system in place (0 on
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