Last hand of the night, homegame. Hero (TAG) has been running good, hitting my draws and getting good calls. Up 1500!

Villain, A good LAG, lots of history and can play back a lot. He is down around 300-400 i think.

8 handed straddle.
Calls to Hero in BTN and called. Im pretty much done for the day and called to reraise the host (tilting about he got garbage all night and with 800-900 stack) in straddle if he decides to make a move. sB called and bB (300 stack) raised 25.. Folded to me and i decided to make it 75, i put him on 88-KK, AJ+.... He called.

Flop (~160) KQJsss
He shoved!! I looked at my aces and i have the red ones. 😭

He pretty much hit all the ranges i put him and i might be really behind here.

Thoughts?

The snappiest of snapfolds

Obvious fold is obvious. If he's making a move, let him.

FWIW, I make it bigger pre. Like $125, and let him tilt-shove.

I dont think he would open shove with a set, doubtful he is spewing with 88-1010 so I would remove the PP you have in his range. That leaves you with Aj, AQ, AK (albeit less combos due to card removal) . I would bet very good money this is the A, probably something like AJ



Edit: suprised to hear the responses above, what range are we putting him on that makes this a snap fold? I just dont see that many gross overbet shoves in LLSNL that are for pure value

Horrible flop for red aces, absoluteley horrendous. Sometimes we just have to fold knowing we are probably beat and this is one of them.

Yeah, this is a fold. Even when we're ahead, we're never far ahead in this spot. And when we're behind, we're all-the-way behind.

He either has a made hand that beats us, or a combo draw that can beat us.

Villain has 225 left, and the pot is about 175 already. So if the villain has a made hand and wants to give bad odds to a draw, his only move is all-in on the flop. If villain has a combo draw and wants fold equity, his only move is still all-in on the flop.

Made hands that play this way include KQ, KJ, JQ, KK, QQ, and JJ (defending against the flush draw and str8 draw). Let's throw A10clubs in there as well. And 89/78/67 spades might be doing this as well (though I think those hands are more likely to c/r all in).

Combo draws that play this way include AK, AQ, AJ with the A of spades (11 outs) and maybe K10, Q10, J10 with the 10 of spades (15 outs).

You're ahead of the Aspades combo draws, but not far ahead of them. You're behind all of the 10spades combo draws. And you're way behind all of the made hands.

Foldity foldity fold folds.

How about if we have the Ace of Spades?

If we have the ace of spades, I think this becomes a pretty easy call. He's betting 225 into a ~160 pot, offering us pretty decent odds. We have 9 outs to a flush, 3 outs to a straight, and our additional two aces might be good. The flush outs alone make this a borderline call. And suddenly, we're way ahead of him those times when he shows up with K10/Q10/J10 with the 10 of spades, instead of being a slight dog against that part of his range.

Fold and don't even think about it. It's not worth it. He has a set or two pair and is afraid u have As. This is one of the instances, where OOP is a better position : when u can shove. If you were the first one to act and shoved, he would be forced to fold his 2pair or set or As like u r forced to fold here bcuz u can repp anything.

Agree with flr. Think a high pct of his range consists of AX, where X=K, Q, J. Two pair shoving here is a bit spazzy cause a set is well within our range esp after the backraise. Think if he had KK or QQ he 4! shoves pre

I still fold tho cause im a nit

Thanks for the responses.

I folded and showed my AA hoping to see his cards. He didn't show but after a couple of peer pressures he said he has KQs and was gambling there.

we went to see the turn and river.. turn is an Ace!!!! would have won the pot but I'm happy with my play. I still have Goosebumps having AA on the last hand and for some reason I really don't know what to do.

Dude I feel the complete opposite as you do. When he ships in that amount in live games its always a huge hand bare minimum TPTK + NFD.

Ive seen more than a few times guys just open shipping the flop with the nuts.

He could have flopped a small flush and doesn't want to see another spade, or same reasoning with a straight or even set.

If we have the A of spades i am never folding. 4 tens and all spades in the deck for the nutz and we might even be in front right now with our AA.

I dont have it in me to fold when we flop that kind of equity unless we are ridicilously deep.

This exactly. I see most live players play their draws very passive and rarely shipping.

AP fold. If you are ahead its not by much(not very often) and if your behind you might be dead(much more likely).

I misread the OP and thought he had more behind. I think that the openshove with nuttish hands with >1 psb left is an OMC move that "doesnt want to let them see another card". I play in really tough games for LLSNL, but given the description of V it is closer than most were saying. I still think its a fold (never said i would call above, but sounds like it) but more of a sigh-fold than snap fold. AAx is a snap call for me doeee.