Huhu.
Information on UTG: plays 1/2 online, should be for sure losing player, rich, thinking player(some losing multilevel bull**** I guess), from his plays very bad live game(he doesnt addapt well from online to live) , but not near close to fish, should have a lot of theoretical knowledge
My image: not much informations, 3-4 strong hands shown and won the pot, preflop raising and opening very differently( sizing differes from opening 4-8bb , 3betting 9-18bb)

UTG: 250-300bb deep
SB: 250-300bb deep

Utg: opens 3bb
fold
fold
fold
MonsterFish: calls 3bb
me sb: raise 17bb Hand: QQ (sizing addapted to monsterfish)
bb: fold
________
Utg: reraise 45bb
MonsterFish folds

me?

I know for sure that he plays TAG! I didnt see any of his 4bet/preflop play because he plays very tight. Considering the informations that hes playing online and is rich kid, but sucks at livepoker(even when he sucks, its way way better than fish, would be maybe a bad reg at live). It put me in a weird decision:
Calling: would be really bad I think. OOP there isnt much money to get. If we get postflop and lowboard flop hits - check/calling would turn in a bluff catcher I think - overcards hitting the flop would also suck really. Also he is cabaple of cbetting IP to a check. Donkbet would only bring worser to fold and better to call?

Shoving: I think its by far the worst option. Should only call with AA/KK , maybe AKs(but I think this deep he would fold everything worse)

Should I have done this?
5betting to 90-110bb: Is 5bet here the right play? I am not sure. Worser should fold, but only better should call? Maybe AK in his calling range. Postflop again OOP sucks VS this type of V. I am sure he is capable of only flatting AA/KK/QQ. What if V shoves? Easy fold?

What would you suggest? Thanks

Develop stronger reads other than "for sure losing player".

What leaks does he have? Does he open too light? Call down too much? What's his 4-betting range?

Frankly this deep, if you didn't have a plan for when he 4-bet you, 3-betting is a mistake.

AP, call as I'm not folding QQ when there's much more money in play.

Thanks for the reply. I basically wanted to iso the monsterfish.
That means: At the current information stage you are just flatting because there arent enough indicates that QQ isnt good here?

I just call here, 5 betting just gets worse hands to call and better hands will shove you. You can't fold yet thats is for sure. It's really a not favorable situation, but I am pretty sure you have to just call.

On the flop, I would bet about 2/3 to 3/4 of the pot if the board comes 3 cards lower than Q. Then if he raises we are out, if he just calls, I figure we are probably good and I consider betting the turn again. Otherwise, if the flop comes with an ace or a king, we just check/fold the flop.

preflop without any reads this is a call, especially if the guy is an online reg. his range consists TT-AA with a discount for QQ, many AKs there as well. we should call and adjust to the flop, any K\A high flops and we fold, if he barrels a lower flop you should consider TT-JJ to be there and many AKs and just call down.

Can you give us some idea of V's uTG opening range.

H is SB with QQ and a player with $250-300 (I guess that's eff stacks since H's stack not disclosed?) four bets from UTG after H three bets.
Absent more reads, in typical games, against players with some theoretical knowledge and players who can be thinking players (as V is described), V usually has AA or KK here. V is described as very tight. Described as playing TAG. Maybe he can spaz w AK or JJ but typically, V has AA or Kk
Can you profitably set mine here? Maybe. Folding might be tight but it's the best play. Calling might be ok if you think he'll stack when you flop a set. Shoving is spew.

online reg will 4bet here quite often no?

Fold, V has AA KK too often

Well, your options are call or raise/call off.

I think calling is best.

Just because V plays online does not mean he opens/gets from UTG with 300BB pre-flop with rags or something. That's just silly. I do think he could go all the way with all AK, though. And QQ vs. QQ+,AK or KK+,AK is around the same ~50/50. If he's at all wider than that - like if JJ was ever possible if you 4-bet to 120BB and he continued or got it in pre-flop, then you're doing OK, still close to 50/50, barely profitable.

You're getting around 2.5:1 direct to call off 28 more BB. You are so deep you even have some decent stack odds to make a set. Those stack odds aren't sufficient on their own, but of course you have other ways to win, mostly that QQ can win at showdown unimproved.

So call and take a flop. SPR will be around 2.5. Mostly checking the flop.

Some sort of practical info on how V plays is necessary here. Range? Besides his opening bet sizing, how ''doesn't he adapt well from online to live''?

I actually believe betting small to unduce on the flop if we make a set is the best profitable play. No one folds AA/KK to a small flop bet.

Online reg or not, he raised UTG and now has four bet pre flop. In live no limit, that's typically AA or KK. It might be AK, QQ or JJ but the range here is heavily weighted to AA or KK.
Against a thinking player, which is how V is described, how often can QQ be ahead here?
Post flop scenarios:
you flop over pair: you have no idea where you stand.
A or K flops, you're frozen.
Only when you flop a set can you really continue.

This is not a great spot. OOP to a player showing extreme strength. Falling in love with QQ is a good way to injure your bankroll.

So if villain thinks he's this brilliant player, will a 4-bet get him to lay down AK 1010 JJ? If so I think we can 4-bet. If he won't, then just call and try to get it in on q-hi or lower flops.

I see a lot more limps pre UTG in 1/2 games with AA/KK than for a 3bb open.

Folding the 4bets with QQ is the way to miss value. Never folding with no earlier reads of villian being a nit.

Obviously we don't want him to fold if we KNOW he has 1010 JJ, but I think AK is a big part of that 2nd-tier range and would be OK with him folding that range to us pre.

In the 750-800 hours I've accumulated at 1/2 I can recall exactly one instance when I was 4! by AK, and he was tilting fish that came over from blackjack. You're 3! sizing was bad, mistake number one, but you can at least salvage the hand by folding to the 4! With all due respect to the people saying he can have AK/JJ in his range, I strongly disagree.

Would you be calling here with TT? 55? 22? Because the relative hand value is identical to QQ in this situation. You need a set to win. So treat it the same way as 22 and toss it aside.

But don't let the fact that you got 4! hide the fact that your 3! sizing was atrocious, even if you claim "monster fish" is calling 17 bb raises, which I highly doubt.

As played fold.

What hands are you hoping monster fish likely calls such a big raise with(6x original raise)? I'd raise pre to 11bb, it's an absolute disaster if he folds 89 pre when he would have flopped top pair and paid you off.

maybe I got this point horrible wrong then.
So its better to 3bet lower and keep a wide range of V in than 3betting high? This fish was really like to call high 3bets but I didnt even think of that it would be more profitable to smaller 3bet and let them play with a wider range.
So basically sizing just to 11bb with goal that he hits something and get value from that? Immo if I think of that he calls a lot of Ax hands and just folds if he not hit .... if he hits our card is dead. ( Ax in his 3bet calling range, strong broadways, Kxx board also sucks for a big pot ... and all low cards folded because of high 3bet ... I think I get this point - if not tell me please)

Maybe I didnt stated it well: Villian plays online at nl1/2 but not that he moved up like others. Just got a bankroll from daddys pocket and plays at a limit where he "feels" the pain.... he is a regular( I misused it: regular gamer at 1/2 online , maybe not as fish but as some weak tight player I guess which cant beat the limit in longrun!!! some guy which thinks he is far far above his skill level)