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1/1/2 Fold, Call or Jam this Suited Flop? 1/1/2 Fold, Call or Jam this Suited Flop?

04-23-2019 , 08:08 PM
Note: The casino has weird rules: the game is 1/1/2 in that the BU and SB put in $1, the BB puts in $2 and it's $4 to go (i.e. limping means you put in $4, not $2). I also didn't keep track of the rake, so I estimated the flop pot size. Table was just opened and only a few hands in, so no info on any players and most everyone is around ~$200 effective. Villain is a mid 30's white guy with sunglasses. OTTH

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Hero is UTG+1 with A♣ Q♠. UTG limps for $4, hero raises to $12, villain (UTG+2) raises to $30, folds to hero who calls.

Flop ($63): 10♣ 6♣ 3♣

Hero checks, villain bets $50, hero jams for $170.

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Preflop: Not 2betting pre is just too nitty. I'm pretty sure we call the 3bet too, but a +2 3betting range has to be pretty strong, so is there a fold here?

Flop: To be honest, I should have considered this move more carefully, but I wanted to jam quickly to put on the pressure. In retrospect, when I consider folding, calling and raising, I can't help but think "I really wish I had AK". If we have a raising range, we have 3 combos of TT and 1 combo of AQs, AJs, and KQs. We might also have ATs and KJs if we don't fold them pre. Therefore I think we can have 6-8 combos of value. The jam is giving villain about 30% odds to call, so we can have 2-3 combos for a bluff. The best candidate is easily AKo with the Ace of clubs, giving us the NFD and extra outs to worse overpairs. But I'm not sure if I'm 4betting AKo pre? I know it sounds nitty but we're very early position, so we're dealing with very strong ranges.

If we're not raising, we're getting slightly less than 33% odds. If we count the 3 extra aces as outs, we have 12 outs. But what do we do if V jams the turn? Folding the flop feels incredibly scared money - what aren't we folding? I'm uncomfortable with all 3 choices in this spot. Any advice?
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04-23-2019 , 11:18 PM
50bb deep I probably jam as well. Check/jam, as played is nice. Can’t be in that bad of shape.
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04-23-2019 , 11:32 PM
Fold pre mate, his line is so strong... as played sticking it in post is fine, nothing else you can do, gotta hope you have a little FE
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04-24-2019 , 12:19 AM
Raise bigger pre
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04-24-2019 , 03:10 PM
Fold pre.

AP: jam gives V basically 3-2 on his call and he’s ahead plenty. So H needs FE to make this work. How much FE do we have? Minimal against Overpairs because we overcalled.

V is still uncapped and I think jam is optimistic. But we have outs! I cannot endorse the jam.
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04-25-2019 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon
Fold pre.

AP: jam gives V basically 3-2 on his call and he’s ahead plenty. So H needs FE to make this work. How much FE do we have? Minimal against Overpairs because we overcalled.

V is still uncapped and I think jam is optimistic. But we have outs! I cannot endorse the jam.
V is actually getting 2.4 to 1 on a call. Needs $120 to call a pot that has $283 in it. I think you forgot that Villain already put $50 in the pot.

So how much FE does Hero need? Let's make an assumption that V's 3-betting range is real tight...say JJ-AA and AK. Not unreasonable for a typical 1-2 player.

Hero has 36% equity against that range.

We need to solve for FE% so that

Min equity needed = FE% * 113 + (1+FE%)*36% * 340
Where min equity will equal 170 * (1- FE%), which is the expected amount of money Hero will have at risk when called.

Solving the equation above, FE% = 30%. Hero needs 30% FE to breakeven. Will he get it here? V should fold all of his AK combos except AKc. That's 11 combos. Say he calls with all of his overpairs and AKc....that's 16 combos. That equates to a 40% FE. But this assumes that V is 3-betting all of his AK combos....that may be too aggressive. But balance that out with V may fold JJ some percentage of the time, since Hero could be flatting V's 3-bet with QQ.

So against a tight player, it's close but shoving is fine. Given that V could be a LAG and 3-betting a wider range, a shove is the clear play.
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04-25-2019 , 11:04 AM
It is fine and good.
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04-25-2019 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by fightingillini
V is actually getting 2.4 to 1 on a call. Needs $120 to call a pot that has $283 in it. I think you forgot that Villain already put $50 in the pot.

So how much FE does Hero need? Let's make an assumption that V's 3-betting range is real tight...say JJ-AA and AK. Not unreasonable for a typical 1-2 player.

Hero has 36% equity against that range.

We need to solve for FE% so that

Min equity needed = FE% * 113 + (1+FE%)*36% * 340
Where min equity will equal 170 * (1- FE%), which is the expected amount of money Hero will have at risk when called.

Solving the equation above, FE% = 30%. Hero needs 30% FE to breakeven. Will he get it here? V should fold all of his AK combos except AKc. That's 11 combos. Say he calls with all of his overpairs and AKc....that's 16 combos. That equates to a 40% FE. But this assumes that V is 3-betting all of his AK combos....that may be too aggressive. But balance that out with V may fold JJ some percentage of the time, since Hero could be flatting V's 3-bet with QQ.

So against a tight player, it's close but shoving is fine. Given that V could be a LAG and 3-betting a wider range, a shove is the clear play.
Yes I think we see it the same way.

But I think it’s closer to 3-2 if eff stack at 200.
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