This game plays $1 on the btn and any player can straddle $4 from any position.

In this hand there is an UTG straddle and both the straddle and the UTG+1 are total LAG fish that have been shoving their short stacks a lot.

UTG+1 makes it $12. He only has like $35 behind. Hero is next to act looks down at 33 maybe just a fold in this situation, but besides the two lag fish the table has been passive, I looked over at the straddle and he seemed uninterested, so I called, figuring it would go MW and I could set mine. A player (V2) in MP calls. V2 is young asian kid I've played with quite a bit. He's not great, pretty loose, sometimes passive, but I've seen him overplay/spew too...he's playing candy crush on his phone all the time. Basically I'm not scared of him and he makes a whole variety of mistakes. Another unknown player flats in LP and straddle folds.

Flop ($50 after drop) 4-handed 367

Lagtard V1 PFR shoves his remaining $35. H decides to flat w bottom set. I figured if I raise I'd miss out on a lot of val from the other players. V2 min raises to $70, LP V folds, so action is back to hero.

Now the pot is $190 and it's $35 to call. H and V2 have $250 behind on the side.

I was kinda confused by the min raise...seemed either nutted or kinda weak? There are a whole lot of combo draws on this brd, but probably only 4 combos of 45s in V2 range. I could see him raising with 88-TT, 67, A7, any NFD... Is this a spot to just call and evaluate? Lots of bad turn cards could come though...as played for some reason I just shoved back. Maybe out of confusion and being worried about a tough decision on turn? What do folks think? Total overplay? Standard line?

I would fold pre. You can't profitably call vs the short stack, and the pot is not guaranteed to be multi-way or that someone won't pick up a good hand and squeeze behind you. Asking for too much.

Yeah- I pretty much agree with you on this point, though there were some game flow intangibles that led me to make the PF call. Any thoughts on the line AP?

Given that you're in this spot, I'd probably raise the flop the first time even though it looks really strong. This isn't a spot I'd want to slowplay to try to bring other players in. Do that on a Q73r type of flop.

I would probably call his raise unless you think he's super bad and doesn't understand that you should stack off much tighter in protected pots. This is a crappy spot.

Thanks for the input. Thinking back, I think calling his raise and evaluating the turn is much better than shoving (though I still believe he would prob GII with 2pair or a monster draw).

If I call then the pot is going to be about $225 on the turn and we will have about a PSB left. What is our plan at this point if it bricks and he doesn't slow down?

Also, if we decide to raise the flop after shorty shoves, and then we get cold 3-bet, are we folding? I guess it depends on sizing...but I'm just trying to wrap my head around being able to get away from a set on the flop when at this 150bbish kinda stack size.

The thing is, on this flop you're actually not doing so hot vs only straights, sets, two pair, and monster draws (for monster draws I included A5cc, A4cc, A3cc, T9cc, 98cc). You're about a 40/60 dog actually, which kinda sucks. There's also the question of how often villain is making this minraise with a draw, which I'm guessing he's more likely to have a made hand here than a draw (he wants you to call).

If you had raised the flop the first time you would just gii since at that point you're getting a better price to play for the rest and just accept being 40/60 or whatever. I'm not in love with just calling the flop raise and turn is going to be a tough decision for sure, but since I don't think gii on the flop is really good, I don't see a better option. Of course this all changes if villain is a fish and will gii overpairs and stuff on the flop (in that case you fist-pump gii) but not knowing that it's a lot more difficult.

Calling pre is really bad.

As played, stuff.

You have to raise after V1 shoves. You can't let the other Vs come in for very good prices.

Fold pre. Not profitable enough to compensate for not going multiway and getting reraised off the hand.

Grunch from title alone: no. If you got stacks in and lost, it is just a cooler on most boards vs. most Vs.

OK, off to read OP now.

Post grunch edit. No. You underplayed it. Fold pre. AP, raise LAGtard, don't flat. AP, jam over the minraise, I guess, but meh.