Yep. You couldn't have described my plan better.

I don't know how much you want to "practice" before you go but I remember the Hoyle Casino software being pretty nice. Except it would wait until half your roll was on the table before crapping out...

I've only played craps a few times and I've only made line and odds bets. I think I remember hearing that if you're gonna make come bets, do it on 6 and 8 and nothing else.

You don't know the point befor

Right. Cus the point is seven or eleven on the first roll. The problem with come bets is that most places charge $1 or $2 when you win. So the more you bet, the smaller the house edge is. It's always gonna be there tho. This is why I never make come bets.

You think this way, but you still play craps?

I've only played a few times, and not in over two years. The exception being at my sisters house where we play for pennies and there is no house take on come bets.

Bob- Somehow my previous response didn't get posted completely.

The come bet is treated exactly like a pass line bet and starts with the next time the dice hit the table. After a point for your come bet is established you may take odds at true odds just like your pass line bet. All bets have to be payable in the chips in use so if you place an odd amount on say the 5 or 9 as a point you won't get true odds.

The place bet is paid at less than true odds but any odds bet you make on top of your place bet is paid at true odds. Clear as mud probably but I tried. Good luck at the tables. Any good casino will help you place a bet that can get paid off correctly so if in doubt, ask.

ummm who knows the current rake structure HU on Merge? I'm pretty sure I just game started/played HU at $1/2 and villain sits down with $30. We play 35 hands. I bust him and look at PT4 and realize I won $13.94. That can't be right can it?!?! Merge is going to ship me the missing $15?!?!

Actually surprised it is that low.

Wat

Is it any better on Bovada? (Paging BigBadBabar...)

0.50 a hand seems like low rake, these days. However, I haven't played LHE online in forever.

1/2 hu is probably raked pretty highly everywhere. i don't know what bovada's rake is compared to carbon's but you could probably find the rake charts online somewhere. bovada certainly has much more traffic overall

Swcpoker only takes 2.5%. Plus they offer 50% rakeback for two and three handed play. However, getting a game going can be very slumbersome. Then by the time someone finally sits, you're half asleep playing your C- game. Playing shorthanded no limit holdem while you wait seems to help with the sleepiness.

Merge - $2/$4 (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): $124.62
CO: $501.05
BTN: $85.69
SB: $155.45

SB posts SB $1.00, Hero posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has 2 7

fold, BTN calls $2.00, SB calls $1.00, Hero checks

Flop: ($6.00, 3 players) 6 4 5
SB checks, Hero bets $2.00, BTN calls $2.00, fold

Turn: ($10.00, 2 players) 6
Hero bets $4.00, BTN calls $4.00

Villain is like 73/3. He will fold the turn, but not the river. I've played w/ this guy for about 200 hands in this session and I've unsuccessfully bluffed him like 4 times and he's called me down w/ A and K high, bottom pair on AQTJ5 boards, etc. Sigh...

River: ($18.00, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BTN checks

Hero shows 2 7 (Two Pair, Sixes and Fours)
(Pre 31%, Flop 28%, Turn 23%)
BTN shows 3 3 (Two Pair, Sixes and Fours)
(Pre 69%, Flop 72%, Turn 77%)
Hero wins $17.10

oh...

can anyone tell me exactly how many orbits a player can sit out at PS before being kicked out? Searching it in internet says 3. But it seems nanoFL people sit out >10

It was increased from 3 to 4, iirc. Unless the table is shorthanded.

I but SSHE, anything that screams out at you that is outdated or is antiquated?

I think most of you will say its 90% still true but was wondering if theres anything that I should adjust as i read

Where do you plan on playing? $4/8 live games? $.50/1 home game with buddies? $1/2 6 max online?

So much what you said.

Look at the advice which might include some EP limping and some cold-calling (could be remembering wrong). Any game soft enough for that advice to be true -- book is likely spot-on. In a game where the advice is clearly lolwat???, say 1/2 6m, let's use outdated. I'm guessing the overall thought process of the book is really good. The exact hand advice? Back to how soft your current game plays.

You are remembering it wrong... SSHE is the first book that showed how bad cold-calling is, basically saying that if you never do it, you are not making much of a mistake. Even the open-limping advice is only given for loose passive games, so it is given with a caveat.
Maybe you are comparing it to HEPfAP and its classes of hands, ha!

Could you give an example? I mean, the book does not specialize in HU pots, so most of the situations advised in SSHE are unlikely to happen in a 1/2 6m game, but just because it is incomplete, doesn't mean it is clearly lolwat???
Since the advice in SSHE is pretty TAG, you won't get into situations where you need to calculate backdoor equities and stuff like that, so that, sure, you might be folding too much on the flop in some hands, but based on your range that is absolutely solid advice.

Wow, just played my first "live session"...
Man i am missing my computer screen.
There was 2 old ladies around 70.
One i was happy when i was winning vs her and felt lack of sympathy when she was losing based on her attitude and her skillz (Which she was decent).

But man, the other , so quiet, so petite , so cute and unfortunately so bad, very bad.
I was seeing her play and call so many horrendous hands i was screeming in my head just fold and thought i should quit at the same time has her to explain to her some fundamentals...
I even refrain from isolate her because i felt i was like stealing her ...

It all worked great in the end, she won her money back ( i will not say how but it was not due to normal "settings" and a bit of luck) and seem she start to play a bit like me by folding a LOT more hands pf since she was sitting beside me..

Man i hope this feeling will not replicate , i know i should not bother of the well being of the player beside me , and not caring where their money cones from but when you see their faces it is a totally different ball game...

Seriously , even tho i would make a lot of money on her and i really liked her demeanor, i really hope i will not see her again...
She should spend her " probably hard gain money" differently , like the slot machine with a better chance of winning some money.

Bah, guess i will in time get a thicker skin.

Yup the games are harder but easier psychologically online imo

I don't own the book, I'm just remembering some of DalTxColtsFan hands where he said "I did this because of Page X in SSHE".

So, as someone who has read the book, it is a good starting place for 1/2 6m games on Stars?

Ha! You got me. The book is a good starting place for LHE in general. In that sense, sure, if you are climbing a 5 story building, you have to take the first step at some time, but it is just a first step. And no, there is no magic elevator.

I had heard that it was a very good update to HPFAP, and I like Ed Miller as a writer. I'm honestly not sure what book I'd recommend for people starting out in small stakes online games. I have some assumptions on the book based on plays people have made (claiming to be following SSSH) and others based on what I'd guess a good book from 2005 would recommend.

Really, you could dig out HPFAP and get a good overview of the concepts of winning poker. I don't think anyone makes some of the plays that were recommended, like there was a donk checking the turn line with medium-big hands. Generally, the stuff talked about in HPFAP is a good way to consider poker. It is just that the exact starting hand charts and "this bet from a decent opponent means that" was correct in 1999 at the 20/40 Mirage game. In 2016 versus post online opponents, people play different starting hands and are (correctly) more aggressive in many spots. Things like the AQ test (was that Feeney?) don't apply vs most opponents because they are three betting ATo instead of only raising AK+.