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Old 10-06-2018, 02:29 PM   #226
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Re: Wolfram's Credit and Car Finanance Thread - includes excellent posts by MacauBound

Local Ford dealership has $59k 2018 Shelby marked at $81,900 :tears:
$34k Mercedes C or $35k Alfa Romero Guilia prob better choices anyway
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Old 10-06-2018, 10:10 PM   #227
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Re: Wolfram's Credit and Car Finanance Thread - includes excellent posts by MacauBound

Wow that's a crazy markup from MSRP (happens rarely and usually for much lower %). The car must be pretty sick to drive, I don't know anything about it. Don't know anything about Alfa Romeo, would like to hear what you thought if you did a test drive.

For any luxury brand entry level model (which I think the C class is), you are usually paying big premium for the brand name. It's usually a car for women - something husbands buy their wives/gf when the brand conscious wife/gf "wants a Mercedes/BMW/Lexus" and doesn't care about anything else. And nothing wrong w that. It's cheaper than buying an S class if brand is important.

Once luxury manufacturers (esp the germans) realized how much more brand conscious a large segment of the population had become like 15 yrs ago (they should be paying royalties to an OG of this thought movement and a young lady I had the pleasure of dancing with one night at Pure in '06 - Paris Hilton) and that banks/people collaborated in scoffing at credit/accumulation of debt issues, they started lowering the standards of their entry-level models to be more accessible. Stuff like the A3 or BMW 128 etc. is how far it's come.

I think mistake they made w Doug was trying to put him into buying mode (in somewhat desperate manner it sounds) before taking care of the first step for any potential customer - selection. If initial visit was a fact-finding mission, they should act accordingly and call the prospect in a few days and thank them for their recent visit and ask if there's any other questions you may have. What they did is the equivalent of proposing a threesome to someone on their first date and it rarely leads to a sale.
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Old 10-07-2018, 09:53 PM   #228
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Re: Wolfram's Credit and Car Finanance Thread - includes excellent posts by MacauBound

Talking about the Lamborghini bit? That was a little amusing to hear about.

I appreciate the input on paying a premium for a brand's entry level model. The vehicle still has to operate and reflect the luxury automaker's standard though, no? Will let you know about the test drive(s).
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Old 10-08-2018, 02:31 AM   #229
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Re: Wolfram's Credit and Car Finanance Thread - includes excellent posts by MacauBound

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Talking about the Lamborghini bit? That was a little amusing to hear about.

I appreciate the input on paying a premium for a brand's entry level model. The vehicle still has to operate and reflect the luxury automaker's standard though, no? Will let you know about the test drive(s).
The lambo thing went over my head tbh. Which part was that?

The thing w the luxury brands is that they’ve been able to get away w not always putting out entry level cars that meet their historical standards, by doing things such as substituting pleather for real leather, or not including other items in their entry level that used to be standard before this shift. The Alfa Romeo is interesting cuz they haven’t been in USA market for a while until recently and idk what category they are in.

Some of the exotics have started to mimic what the luxury brands did. Maserati stands out in my mind as one of the exotics thats started making like an 80k car iirc. Maybe Bentley put out something more accessible too, in recent years. Appreciate the feedback from test drives esp Alfa gl
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Old 10-09-2018, 04:27 AM   #230
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Re: Wolfram's Credit and Car Finanance Thread - includes excellent posts by MacauBound

Note that a $34k MB "C" is not a C class, it's a CLA. Completely different line that's front wheel drive. A C class is $40k+.
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Old 10-11-2018, 11:28 PM   #231
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Re: Wolfram's Credit and Car Finanance Thread - includes excellent posts by MacauBound

Yeah I see that the base CLA is a bit of a cheaper vehicle. I can take advantage of a bait car with a sticker price of $34k. If I go the lease route again, would be content getting the cap cost down to $32.5k.

In more amusing news, the unscrupulous I mean fine people at Grieco Ford dropped the listed Shelby price to only $11k above what anyone should pay for it.

https://www.griecofordoffortlauderda...6P8JZ8J5502427
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Old 10-12-2018, 09:06 AM   #232
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Re: Wolfram's Credit and Car Finanance Thread - includes excellent posts by MacauBound

The Subaru people finally went under the no haggle price. Wonder what I'm missing. Cold, rainy month with no foot traffic?

On the luxury brands, don’t you have to be concerned about service and repair costs being high? Not knowing for sure, but thinking a honda mechanic works on an acura and is reasonable. A mercades or jaguar place always nutty?
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Old 10-12-2018, 03:01 PM   #233
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Re: Wolfram's Credit and Car Finanance Thread - includes excellent posts by MacauBound

2018 models should be cheap(er) right now. A lot with 40 2018 leftovers of the model you are looking for should be cheap(er). If there are manufacturer incentives on the model, that will help too. truecar.com used to be pretty good, but I heard recently it's not as accurate.
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Old 10-12-2018, 06:03 PM   #234
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Re: Wolfram's Credit and Car Finanance Thread - includes excellent posts by MacauBound

I used truecar to buy a new car in 2014, it was great. I recently bought a used car and it was okay, like middle of the pack. I also used edmunds and liked it a lot, plus the top 5-6 search sites that came up in Google. A lot of stuff is cross-listed.
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