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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
I think DD left a pretty big hint as to what he thinks about the river.
He said it was good to 3 bet.
Consider what it takes for someone to bet and raise a river that brought in a straight and a flush. In the games I've played in when I was serious, people made thin value bet/raises and were sticky -- three betting is great. I can see DK making assumptions that these guys never raise without "having
it" and adjusting accordingly.
FWIW, drawing to hit a flush, knowing our frenemy most likely has TPTK or better (and won't fold), and doing a little combo counting, I'm with you. 3 bet the little flush. If the villain with 7's is read to never raise without a flush on a flush board, with the tiny flush the math is different. The read is wrong in this one hand, but whatevs.
Didn't see a ton of people commenting on the river 3 bet. IIRC, montrealcorp didn't like it, you did, and DD agreed with you. Since MC didn't like the flop call, which many of us were between OK with and thinking it was an easy call... he seems on the tighter side of assumptions.
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If you're never in this spot, then it doesn't matter whether it's "standard" to peel or not because you'll never be put in this position.
In limit games, spots where backdoor draws have reasonable odds relatively often. Could be they're thin spots, so folding them incorrectly is usually a small mistakes. Someone on the tighter side, you have overcard outs that prevent these folds.
When I started playing 6m I missed a lot of BD draws, and it probably was a pretty decent leak. I don't think that anyone should miss the difference between a hand that has nothing going for it and backdoor draws. As several of you pointed out, you add in the BDFD + BDSD to the backdoor trips and two pair draws (that don't complete straights for other people), and you're making a pretty big mistake to fold getting like 12-15:1 closing the action. Not being sticky enough in 3 bet pots makes you an easy mark. Who doesn't love an opponent who gives up easy after bloating a pot?