Both these hands happened close together and were shortly after I arrived, so no real reads other than to assume avg. 3/6 live game chalked full of donkeys.

I open utg, get 6 callers......

FLOP(8 sb) JT3
I bet, 2 callers, sb c/r, I call, others fold...

TURN(7 bb) 2
she checks, I bet, she calls

RIVER(9 bb) J
she checks, I bet, she c/r?




Kill pot this time, I open early, 5 callers.

FLOP(7 sb) K J 4
I bet, 3 callers

TURN(5.5 bb) 7
I check, first caller(seems laggy) bets, 2 calls, folds to me?

i messed up the pot sizes in both hands, obv. should be bigger

hand 1:

i would probably 3bet the flop to get the other players out. the pot's got 19 or so sb in it and getting it HU would be huge. another good option is call the flop, let the turn brick off and raise there. it has the advantage of better equity against the draws with one card to come and gives you better leverage to get the pot HU facing the field with 2 big bets cold.

as played, i would fold the river c/r against most typical live 3/6 players. alot of them are too passive to do this with trips, much less a bluff or some worse made hand.

hand 2:

i would bet the flop also. on the turn i would probably begrudgingly fire out another bet with plans of folding to a raise. this is especially true if you are considering a c/c. IMO your options on the turn are c/f or b/f. i slightly prefer bet/fold because there's some chance that we have the best hand and the pot is huge. as played, i would fold the turn. the bettor might be laggy, but there are two calls between you and him. it wouldn't be horrible to call the turn and check and see on the river, hoping for a free showdown(which will happen reasonably often when your hand is best).

Hand 1, I am 3 betting the flop. On the river I think it is one of the rarer times you can fold to a c/r vs an unknown.

Hand 2, I bet the flop also, turn is a bet/fold, although I would c/f it sometimes also.

I agree that hand 1 is a flop 3-bet. Turn is fine. I'd be sorely tempted to check the river behind, tho, given flop and turn action. I have a one pair hand on a paired, flushed board.

Hand 2 is b/f turn for me. (SSHE, bet hands with no outs...)

My limit game is a little rusty.

In hand 2: I agree it's a fold as played, wish I would've just kept betting against those tards.

hand 1: 3betting the flop crossed my mind, but I honestly didn't think the extra bet would get the callers to fold even though that logic makes no sense. I thought the river was kinda tough, I almost checked behind and then I thought **** that, this is live 3/6, her range is ginormous. On the river when I only have to show up with the best hand 6%ish, I made the crying call, but I agree it could very well be a fold in that game.

The reason to 3-bet the flop is that the callers would have to call 2 bets, not an extra bet.

I still think the river check behind is what I'd have done. The sb flop c/r should be a strong made hand hoping to trap the field for 2 bets, or a hand like AJx that has an equity edge over the field. The initial turn check is a little confusing (maybe she "didn't want to run her only customer off" after the othe two folded to the c/r, which I also thought was pretty bad on their part after the initial call of your bet). If she had TJ on the flop, why would she risk giving a free card on the turn to a lone club when the 2 hits?

It's hard for me to see what worse hands are calling your river bet?

I think this is HEFAP.

Grunch, fwiw

Hand 1:

I 3-ball the flop...was your intention to raise a brick turn? If so, that's ok I think, but that runs the risk of her checking to you on the turn, as you saw. As played, the turn bet is excellent. As played I do not bet the river...she check/raised the flop right? That's either a flush draw that won't call your bet, or a flush or jack that is about to check/raise you. On the river the pot is large enough that I can't find a fold really, which is part of the reason I wouldn't have bet in the first place.

Hand 2:

I usually bet/fold there because it's better than check/calling, but checking and folding an under pair on a 3-flush board when this many players are still in there is probably a fine thing to do.

Hand 1) I 3 bet the flop to charge draws. I check the river. Her play says 'I have a big club or I have a Jack". One cant call you one beats you.

Hand 2) The point of checking the turn seems to be to check/fold. I probably would have just bet.

yup, p139, fwiw