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Originally Posted by Xylocain
uh, wtf -- define 'spiked'
Bad word maybe? If I order a Cuba Libre in a casino, I will hardly ever taste the coca cola, almost the opposite of a bar. They are trying to get you drunk. Sorry, I did not imply any drugs here.
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I don't get bitterness over this part ... if they didn't they could just as well mail anyone money who can show them they can beat the game? Would you prefer they made themselves unbeatable?
As I said in the beginning: The casinos make FAR more money out of wanna-be counters than they lose with counters.
They lose far more money not giving deep penetration (which takes long shuffling and pisses off ploppies) than they scare off counters.
The hyprocrisy comes from the myth they portray: "Come play this beatable game", but when you actually beat them, they get angry. The idiocy is that in their paranoid quest to out counters they back off many ploppies at some places *cough... El Cortez... cough*, *cough... Plaza... cough*...
Counters and Casinos have the same interests, really. They want fast paced games (more hands per hour, when you have the edge is in everyone's interest), with deep penetration (no loss of time due to shuffling). It's just their stubborness that they don't even want to lose that little investment.
There's a casino near San Diego (Barona), where they have understood that. They have a SD game that with basic strategy has a 0.01% house edge (break even) and with card variations (stand 77 against T) has 0 house edge. They make money in ****loads and the highest limit players go there thinking they can beat the game. They are very curteous when backing off players and it seldom happens. There is a difference and they get it. I can't explain it better.
I UNDERSTAND that casinos have to stop a counter eventually, but right now that are spending way more than the counter will really hurt them. It's like an EGO thing. It's like you have a money printing machine, but every 50 sheets or so, the machine screws up. Instead of just throwing that one sheet of paper away, the casino goes on and spends thousands and thousands of dollars getting a new machine.
The 6:5 game (i refuse to call that Blackjack) is a perfect example of this. The ploppie will lose so quickly in that game, that he'll have no fun and then nobody ends up playing blackjack. Everybody loses in the long run with the 6:5 game, the counter, the casino and the ploppy. Only the casino is so interested in their short-term return, that they burn the long term game.
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My guess is that it would not take many cases of corruption or other illegal activities to bring down even a 'respectable' casino if they were dragged all the way through the judigal system -- if what you say is true could you speculate as to the extemt of the corruption to keep these places in busines?
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho...s/2184716.html
Here's a story where it ended well for us. But the XXXX that Russo and Grosjean were dragged through during the trial is attrocious and it took 3 years for Bob N. to finally clear his clients of any wrongdoing. The coruption level between security, the NVG and the casino managment is amazing,whejn it was put to light...
BTW, his book
Beat the Players has many examples on how you can be dragged through the mud, just for counting cards or exploiting other casinos weaknesses (stupid offers, faulty payoff structures in slots, sports betting, etc.)
Again, I'm not claiming I hate all casinos, but hey with consolidation and the strip being run basically by two corporations, it's a safe bet you'll know which ones I hate