AQd on button, kill pot, utg is killer; villain is massively overweight unknown. bb and utg seem like buddies, someone commented they must be "gay" always going on smoke breaks together and sharing dinner plates, again, irrelelvant but thought it was funny as i wrote it in my phone. (sorry if this is against the rules)

UTG check, mp open limp hero raise sb call bb call utg and mp call
flop 822dd hero bet sb call; bb, utg, and mp call
turn 8 sb bet, bb and utg fold, hero tank a bit and call (i dont know what im thinking about, A high is good or split pot maybe?)
river Q sb bet hero fold


how come i can force myself to fold on leads here, but not other spots? how often should i be folding the turn here?

why did you fold the river? it's one of the best cards for you

I think you have to call here on the off chance the sb is bluffing or has a small pair that he’s accidentally range-merging with.

You can fold the turn. Or you can fold the river. Not both

Some people would never lead turn with the 8 because they always slowplay. Is this person one of those people?

my problem when im taking notes is im not noting who the villain is, i cant even remember the face for this villain, he or she, etc. this was also back on June 13, ugh. i love the 9 seat so i can see names, but its not like im even writing those in... fail

i think through this post i just learned that im not really learning how to play against specific opponents, which i probably should be doing, but just attempting to optimize lines and pattern behaviors if that makes any sense

i folded river because i felt uncomfortable with the leads on the 2 big streets and just assumed i got served a small blind special. this is probably exploitable, but i dont think im playing against that many attentive players that will find the spot to pull this off again
^ definitely a leak here, why even call the turn if i wont call the river when i improve? maybe if river came Diamond id call but id still lose a majority of the time when the board is double paired


i am awful at hand reading, i was probably using an am i beat or not feel (as usual, i recognize this is bad too).

my notes say i folded face up, and villain slow roll shows as well

I would not anticipate a slowplay/check raise on the turn here. The SB, by check-raising you on the turn, would be cutting off all of the other bettors in between. It would be a better play to lead the turn with the 8 from the SB, in my opinion.

Get out on the turn.

I'd fold the turn. It's doubtful the SB is bluffing into 4 players. You may have outs but you may be drawing dead. As played, you should call the river. The fact that you folded makes your turn call really bad.

Calling the turn is dependent on your opponent. Some opponents will never bet unless they have a full house. That said, if you’re going to call the turn you pretty much have to call the river especially when you improve your hand.

Do people really take notes on live players? It honestly feels like you need to just pay attention to the game and make mental notes. Your system of note taking seems disorganized at best and seems pretty much impossible to utilize session to session. Memorization and hand recall are essential tools to success in live poker. If it is something you lack then it’s going to be frustrating endeavor.

If you call the turn then you should call the river.

Don’t fold your hand face up. Observant players are going to bluff more against you. Pay attention to the game and stop taking notes while you’re playing. If you want to take notes wait until the session is over.

If you call the turn, you can't fold the river.

Calling turn is super opponent dependent. Most recs with a full house on a double paired board will always look to check-raise the aggressor. But also his line looks super strong leading into four opponents. I don't see him doing this with A-highs or say 77, whereas if it was three-handed, maybe. And certainly heads up.

As played, if you call turn. You gotta call river. Even if A-high was unimproved.

Just to reiterate what others have said:

It makes no sense to call the turn and then fold the river when you catch your best possible card.

Even if you don't catch a Q or A you still have to call the river. When you are deciding whether to call the turn, you must realize that if you call you are committed to another bet on the river and decide right then whether you want to commit 2 bets to see a showdown.

Even ignoring the turn play, you are getting 10-1 on your river call. You are certainly winning more than one time in 11, which is all that you need to break even. Do not fold on the river in a large pot for one bet when your hand has some reasonable chance of being best. This is doubly true when your call would close the betting. This is a critical point in loose limit games where the pots tend to get large (it's critical because the situation comes up a lot). You do not make your money in these games by making tough folds and saving fractional bets on the end (except occasionally when the pot is small). You make your money by folding hopeless hands early (when your opponents would continue with them) and playing aggressively to get money in the pot when you have the best of it (whether with a made hand or a good draw) and manipulating position and your opponents to protect vulnerable hands in big pots.

Read small-stakes hold'em, and keep re-reading it until you understand the concepts. This fold is an extremely expensive error, and you will have the opportunity to make this error several times in a session.

And, as others have also said, don't take notes at the table, and don't fold face up, especially if your hand has showdown value. Both are really bad for your image. If someone asks what you had, either don't answer (this is the preferred option), or lie and say that you missed your draw.

NOTHING makes sense for the villian to be holding but a 2 or a 8? Turn is a fold. and if your not folding turn, why arent you raising turn?

lol...yep was right!

Besides a 2 or a 8 what could the villian be holding? Over pair makes no sense, he'd never lead turn or bet river. Missed flush draw? maaaaybe he fires on river, but he never leads the turn.