Hi,
I've been playing 3-300 Spread from sometime. Where Sb is 2, BB:3 maximum bet allowed is 300 on top.

4 or 5 players limped to me. I was on button ( had a stack of 510$) and I had pocket 6s and raised to 20 dollars.

UTG , UTG+1 and cutoff called my bet.
Flop comes 6H, AC, KH.
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks and Cutoff donk bets 80$ almost pot size bet.
I thought he might have AK and raised it to 200$. UTG calls my bet everybody else folds. I was 100% sure he had Ace high flush draw.
On the turn 7H comes up. He goes all in with his remaining stack of 158$ and I already knew he hit his flush and didn't had any other option than calling.
On the river 2D comes and he shows AH,QH takes all the pot.

Could I have played this hand differently ? I'm not sure how else could I have played?

Wrong forum

Wrong forum but right play. The only reason you're questioning yourself is because you lost, which is a bad reason to question yourself.

Don't post results.

Don't put people on AK. Instead, put them on a range of hands.

People in LLSNL will tell you not to raise preflop. I say it's fine.

I like just limping pre. In a multi way pot, your hands main value is the implied odds of hitting a set. Your implied odds are better if you just call.

Small pairs play best heads up where they might hold up unimproved or multi way for set value. Your raise got it 4 ways which is where the hand's equity is most difficult to realize.

I think we can answer spread limit questions here. Spread limit isn't quite no limit either and there are aspects of it and types of it that play like limit.

I think 2/10, 4/20, 5/100, and maybe even 2/100 make sense here.
3/300 seems like too big a spread to make sense in a limit forum.

I'd limp along pre flop.

As played, I'd probably just make it $300 on the flop.

People fold preflop in NL. Raising here often takes down the pot.

People fold postflop in NL. People fold overpairs and even small sets. It's not automatic that you see showdown if you spike a set.

There's nothing wrong with limping along and set mining. But when you flop a set and you bet $10 into an $12 pot there's a good chance everyone folds and you don't get the implied odds you were hoping for.

SL makes more sense in the NL forum because you have more than three decisions to choose from (call, fold, raise), and instead you have 6-7 avenues worth exploring (fold, call, raise1, raise2, raise3, etc.)

Also, 4/20 should be allowed everywhere.

~ $484 + $158 - rake in pot = $642 - $6 = $636. This is roughly 4-to-1 ($150 * 4 + $8 * 4 = $632, so slightly better than 4-to-1). You have outs, but one ace is gone, though you do not know that. Usually ten outs, so, 9.75 outs out of 52-8 - 44. You have to be damn sure to fold. 4 * 9.75 is 36 + 3 = 39.

Don't fold here. Could have a lone ace of hearts, or a two-pair with an ace of hearts, or other kind of bluff. AA, and KK are possible, but unlikely.

Somewhere between $200 and $300 OTF. Raising pre seems best, because you may take it down, and if you do not you can smash the flop and stack someone.

At least around here in the 1/2/100 games, you get a read from bet sizing. People don't understand pot size very well, and that $80 bet could be a warning. Even in $300 pots here, someone betting $100 on a street = "I think I clearly will win this" not "this is a 1/4 pot bet, so I have a range".
Setting yourself up for a SPR of 5 with your 170bb stack seems wrong, for playing a small/mid PP. You're naming your price and doing it wrong for the hand you hold. If you get two folds, you're playing with a SPR of 8? Not really better.

I'm happy to move this if our OP would like. Could be that live NL forum would have better answers.

I disagree that SPR is useful in this context. What's wrong with a SPR of 5 when we hold a set, or when we have an underpair? Sure, we don't have much choice but to GII, but we don't need much choice. An SPR of 3 is fine if we're set mining and get 4 callers, and it's probably easier to get them to GII with an SPR of 3.

In a bigger picture, at small stakes where a raise is likely to be called in multiple places, you're almost always playing with low SPR. Standard raise to 4 bb called in 3 places? That's an SPR of 6 if you started with a typical max buyin of 100 bb.

I've played some $1/$2 and $2/$5 NL this trip and not once was there a time when 4 or 5 players limped, BTN makes it 7x and players behind folded. What I saw happen most often was, after BTN raised, the SB folds, the BB calls, a few limpers call and the OMC folds and we go to the flop 5 ways in a bloated pot with a marginal hand. Lol at the idea that, "you might take it down pre."

I'd limp preflop. Then I'd fold the flop. I think this part:

is really bad. I'd fold the flop and I don't think it's close.

What? You'd fold your set on the flop? When the only hands you are losing to are AA and KK, which would have almost always raised preflop?

Lol still waking up and thought we had 77. sorry.

Would you raise 66 in LHE?

No. I would limp along.

+1

Okay, well that's consistent at least.

If your experience is that everyone calls (just like they do in LHE) but you don't raise it in LHE, fine. I figured most people would raise it in LHE.

BTW 66 has about 20% equity six ways and is super easy to play postflop.

Raising cuts your implied odds in a situation where you are basically set mining.

And as DougL says, four card flops are overrated.

I'd also need to be convinced that we'd ever realize anywhere near 20%.

You don't think a 6-way pot is going to reach 8.5 BB in size?

Sure, raising cuts our implied odds in a relative sense. It also increases our implied odds in an absolute sense. The net effect is likely in the negative direction but it's not like we raise and suddenly we need some massive pot just to break even.


As you posted in the J9 thread when we were in a blind and looking at 15-17% equity getting 8:1 or so, "how much of an equity edge do you need?"

The usual excuses for not realizing equity are that we're out of position or that we don't know when we make the second best hand (both of which I used in the J9 thread). Neither of those apply here. Of course we have to take out the times we would have binked the turn/river but folded, but we also have random equity from straight draws on low flops.

I can work this out when I have time, but let me know how much convincing you need here - do you raise 77? 88?

No callip, it doesn't. Unless you assume that all the players in the hand are going to continue to call all the bets post-flop.

Implied odds is a fraction (Expected number of bets in pot / cost of pre-flop call). If you double the denominator, you have to double the numerator, and you usually can't.

Shouldn't raise 66 here in LHE. Also shouldn't raise J9s in the same spot or in the BB or whatever crazy LAG **** you guys sometimes claim you should do.

Do you hit or double 11 vs dealer 10 in blackjack?

You're conflating EV and WR.