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05-04-2019 , 07:19 PM

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centurion

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 187

8-16 It's a half kill pot with the "kill pot" being on the button.

Early position player calls and I have KdTs two off.

1) No particular reads on players so should I fold, call or raise?

I call with cutoff calling and button "kill pot" raising. BB, early, myself and cutoff call five ways two bets.

Flop comes AdJh4d and everyone checks.

2) Turn comes Ac and it's checked to me. Is it worth a bet?

I bet and button calls all others fold.

3) If I don't hit Q on river for my straight, should I bet river? What rivers do I check and which ones do I bet?

4) Is check call a viable choice?

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05-04-2019 , 09:05 PM

ninefingershuffle

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Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,542

Fold<raise<call preflop

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05-08-2019 , 11:37 AM

DrHoldemPhD

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Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 229

I don't like limping in and playing multiway with KTo when I have 100% chance of being out of position against the kill poster. I don't think it's terrible but I'm hard pressed to find what to like about it.

Typically the kill poster will defend widely so when raising you don't steal the post often, so essentially I'd play really tight in front of the kill poster.

I don't stab at this pot on the turn, I take it down about never unless it's a super weak tight table and my image is super nitty (happens, but rarely). Anyone with a Q or pocket pair knows you're just stabbing at it most of the time.

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05-08-2019 , 12:02 PM

mongidig

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I fold this pre

I don't hate the turn bet but I would need a read that the checkers are truly weak. You have a bunch of outs against a small to mid pocket pair when behind. Your probably better off checking and hoping for the free card.

As played, just check/fold. The button probably has a mid to decent pocket pair and could make a good thin v bet.

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05-08-2019 , 09:46 PM

checkraisdraw

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2 off is too oop to play kto with one limper.

Ap check turn.

Check/fold river uip. Maybe vbet a k.

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05-08-2019 , 09:58 PM

DrHoldemPhD

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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw

2 off is too oop to play kto with one limper.

Ap check turn.

Check/fold river uip. Maybe vbet a k.

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Because the killer right? At a tight ish table with no poster that has position on us I raise KTo to iso, I don't overlimp.

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05-08-2019 , 10:32 PM

checkraisdraw

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Originally Posted by DrHoldemPhD

Because the killer right? At a tight ish table with no poster that has position on us I raise KTo to iso, I don't overlimp.

I don’t like the position then either but it’s closer. Knowing that people like to defend their kill button, I would be opening a little tighter, tending to open less offsuit hands.

It really depends on the limper’s range in that scenario. With some people I would 3bet kt for value. lol

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05-10-2019 , 10:20 AM

Bob148

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 11,972

I don’t bet draws in 4+ way pots as a general rule.

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