I have only been at the table for a couple orbits. The button seems very loose pre. He has limped in pretty much every hand. He has raised a couple times but didn't show.

The CO open limps, button over limps, I complete in the SB with 8d6d and the BB checks.

Ac6h3d...It's checked to the button who bets...Do you CR? Do you just call in this small pot and hope to induce bluffs?

is it crazy that I just want to fold here?

This feels like a raise, but MUBSY me would probably call down to showdown if it’s one bet per street.

But why not bet flop when you want to check/Raise the flop ? The continuing ranges of each players should not be that different?!

You don’t want to bet the flop as you’re the first person to act you have 6 cards that might have an A but once it gets checked through, in an unraised pot, the button probably does not have an A. Thus, you should be ahead of his ranges here. As the others didn’t bet out, you may discount an A from BB or CO as well. Thus, I’m not folding pair right here and it will take an amazingly ugly turnout for me to considering folding. Especially the read hero gave to button.

I just peel the flop and am folding a lot on the turn. This is a reverse implied odds cancer hand other than the backdoor flush draw. I don't think raising makes much sense. The other 2 players are often folding anyway, so there is little need to protect our weakish hand. "Don't bloat and fold"

At low stakes the bettor has the Ace almost always but I'd probably pay one small bet to see the next card and fold if I don't catch and am facing another bet.

I’ve check raised in this spot against players that I have a history with, but against loose unknowns check call seems best.


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I'd just fold. You're not getting any value from this . All the limpers make Ax likely and you have terrible relative position. Only reason to remain on the hand is to protect the tiny bit of equity that you might have but probably don't even have. And even if you improve on the turn, there is alot that can go wrong. Reverse implies odds nightmare, as recently stated.

See pages 96-97 of SSHE. Miller et al. describe a very similar situation in their Introduction to Postflop Concepts. Hero flops second pair and a backdoor flush draw in a multiway pot, and the player on his right bets: "Raising is the correct play; calling and folding are both major mistakes!"

Button is loose pre; why does he have to have an Ace here? He could have a 6 or a 3 or 45 or 44 for that matter. He could have two face cards. You want everybody else to fold, so it's just you and the button. In fact, there's a chance your check-raise will win the pot right here.

Even if the button does have an Ace, it's probably a weak one (since he didn't raise pre). So there's a chance your check-raise will keep him from betting again, allowing you to get to showdown cheaply.

This is a much different situation than the SSHM example

1) My example is a very small un raised pot. It's of less importance to protect my hand. This pot had 4 small bets. The SSHM was a raised pot and had 10 small bets.

2) The SSHM hand was a much more coordinated board. Given the size of this pot it's important to cut down the odds of the other players. It is likely some of the other players have a piece of this flop. In my hand it is unlikely anybody else has a piece of this flop and less likely they will chase. Also, there is less a threat of one of them check raising after my call.

3) In my hand there is a good chance that the button has a worse made hand or possibly nothing given that no one has shown interest by the time it gets to him. I'd prefer to just peel here and see how the action goes. I'd prefer to not bloat this small pot with a marginal hand OOP.

call, c/f turn UI

im willing to put a small bet in on the off chance i either suck out or have the best hand. not more.