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03-22-2018 , 10:32 PM

Howard Beale

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Standard 8-16 V's:

UTG limps, folds to me, I raise A

MP, folds to CO who 3's!, UTG caps, I think 'jfc!' and call to a flop of

A

. UTG bets and since there's no way to fold I call, CO raises, UTG and I call.

Turn: J

Oh, good, more outs!

UTG and I c/c.

River: J

! Yippee?

UTG checks and I...........

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03-23-2018 , 01:18 AM

asmitty

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Donk/call

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03-23-2018 , 01:40 AM

Aaron W.

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Bet-call seems right.

CO may freeze up with AK/AQ here and you'll miss value. There are more of those than AA/KK/QQ. (AK = 6 hands, AQ = 6 hands, AA = 1 hand, KK = 3 hands, QQ = 3 hands). You just might bump into KJ/QJs (4 more hands you beat), but after getting raised the count shifts more towards AA/KK/QQ and so I don't think you can afford to 3-bet.

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03-23-2018 , 06:15 AM

Kvacke

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check

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03-23-2018 , 10:53 AM

ninefingershuffle

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I actually think the turn is close

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03-23-2018 , 12:05 PM

Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I actually think the turn is close

Betting's a bit optimistic. I was hoping that the turn card would slow CO down but it didn't which is why I thought this was post-worthy after having not had one in forever.

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03-23-2018 , 12:27 PM

callipygian

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

Betting's a bit optimistic. I was hoping that the turn card would slow CO down but it didn't which is why I thought this was post-worthy after having not had one in forever.

I think he means you should consider folding. You are behind to any straights with 4 outs, but those outs are all dirty - because even if nobody has a straight, you're dominated by AK/AQ/AA/KK/QQ.

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03-23-2018 , 12:42 PM

mongidig

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

Standard 8-16 V's:

UTG limps, folds to me, I raise A

MP, folds to CO who 3's!, UTG caps, I think 'jfc!' and call to a flop of

A

. UTG bets and since there's no way to fold I call, CO raises, UTG and I call.

Turn: J

Oh, good, more outs!

UTG and I c/c.

River: J

! Yippee?

UTG checks and I...........

You have less outs on the turn.

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03-23-2018 , 01:13 PM

ninefingershuffle

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

Betting's a bit optimistic. I was hoping that the turn card would slow CO down but it didn't which is why I thought this was post-worthy after having not had one in forever.

I mean you should consider folding. You are getting a great price but drawing slim against AK AQ and sets. Depends what his range is but his action is really strong.

If you bet the river and he raises are you ever winning? He shouldn’t raise river without a boat because he is beaten by any j or t

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03-23-2018 , 02:32 PM

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Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by mongidig

You have less outs on the turn.

Pessimist.

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

The pot's too big to fold for one bet.

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03-23-2018 , 02:57 PM

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ninefingershuffle

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

Pessimist.

The pot's too big to fold for one bet.

Your getting 11.5 immediate but 13.5 to 2 to call down (which I assume you will do) so it really depends what his range is. If he barrels off 99 or T9s then sure obvious call is obvious, but if his range is tighter then you have a problem. You can’t just throw your hands up and say POT large two pair must call.

Add to this that your image is likely on the higher side so players should be less likely to be betting light on the turn in a protected pot

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03-23-2018 , 03:26 PM

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mongidig

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

Standard 8-16 V's:

UTG limps, folds to me, I raise A

MP, folds to CO who 3's!, UTG caps, I think 'jfc!' and call to a flop of

A

. UTG bets and since there's no way to fold I call, CO raises, UTG and I call.

Turn: J

Oh, good, more outs!

UTG and I c/c.

River: J

! Yippee?

UTG checks and I...........

Actually, you picked up chop outs against AA's

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03-23-2018 , 04:15 PM

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Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I've also got the str8 draw.

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03-23-2018 , 04:17 PM

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Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by mongidig

You have less outs on the turn.

That's why the '

' is there.

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03-23-2018 , 05:00 PM

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mongidig

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

That's why the '

' is there.

I know!

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03-23-2018 , 05:08 PM

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ninefingershuffle

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On the river it is a hand where your happy with one bet going in but not two. I’d check/call

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03-23-2018 , 09:02 PM

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asmitty

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

On the river it is a hand where your happy with one bet going in but not two. I’d check/call

The problem is that the CO should check everything that we beat. It's a crying call if raised, but you're still better off donking and letting Tx/AK/AQ rage-call.

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03-23-2018 , 09:07 PM

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Aaron W.

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

On the river it is a hand where your happy with one bet going in but not two. I’d check/call

I'm happier with one bet going in than none.

But in this case, while I'm not happy with two bets going in, I don't find it to be devastating. KJ/QJs could very easily raise here based on the action.

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03-24-2018 , 11:41 PM

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gr26

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

I think 'jfc!' and call to a flop of

i would have thought the same and folded.

but i dont know what "Standard 8-16 V's" means

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03-25-2018 , 12:07 AM

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Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by gr26

i would have thought the same and folded.

but i dont know what "Standard 8-16 V's" means

It means that while I should've folded as you say it also means that w/ this crew it's not a super horrible call. Should've folded though, you're right.

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03-25-2018 , 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

It means that while I should've folded as you say it also means that w/ this crew it's not a super horrible call. Should've folded though, you're right.

I think that depends on if you think the limp reraiser likely has a legitimate monster or was just doing the 'might as well cap it'.

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03-25-2018 , 02:52 AM

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Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by chillrob

I think that depends on if you think the limp reraiser likely has a legitimate monster or was just doing the 'might as well cap it'.

75/25 it was 'might as well cap it' which is one of the reasons I called but there's still the guy behind me. But I keep seeing these people do the darnedest things, they might qualify for a reality show, so I called bec it's not super horrible.

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03-26-2018 , 10:56 AM

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Howard Beale

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Result:

I bet, CO disgustedly called, UTG folded. CO showed A-K.

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