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06-19-2019 , 01:13 PM

ninefingershuffle

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Another hand since I’m bored. Villain is a decent lag that is both afraid of me and tends to think I’m full of ****. Last orbit he opened button, sb called, I called bb. Flop was AJx. He called my check/raise and my turn bet (he picked up flush draw and Broadway gutter). I check/called river and he made broadway with K9.

So he opens button and I defend black Queens.

Flop is AcAs9c

I check/call.

Turn is 6s

Check/check

River is 5c

I check.

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06-19-2019 , 02:46 PM

holmfries

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I think based on your description it is better to just bet than try to induce a bluff. He clearly doesnt have an A and based on your description is going to pay you off on the river with a whole slew of worse hands. Its pretty unlikely that he has any of the draws that got there so I would just bet

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06-21-2019 , 11:18 PM

reaper6788

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I check raise and lead turn. I'm so aggro when defending my blind that I'm not going to be coy with a big pp.

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06-22-2019 , 03:47 PM

ninefingershuffle

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Originally Posted by reaper6788

I check raise and lead turn. I'm so aggro when defending my blind that I'm not going to be coy with a big pp.

Seems like a wa/web situation. Unless he has exactly a 9

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06-22-2019 , 05:49 PM

reaper6788

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My original answer was more about my balance than anything else. I check raise so much garbage defending late position opens and I'm wa here much more often than wb so I want this in my raise range. So this depends on what your strategy in this situation tends to be and your image.

"Villain is a decent lag that is both afraid of me and tends to think I’m full of ****"

Seems a little paradoxical, but If he thinks you're full of **** often then attack when you have a hand. If he raises you at all then get to show down cheaply. I think your position is good enough to try to make pot a little bigger but not a lot bigger.

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06-24-2019 , 11:06 AM

jdr0317

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Are you check raising river?

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06-24-2019 , 02:00 PM

ninefingershuffle

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

Are you check raising river?

I didn’t. I just can’t see what he will call with

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06-24-2019 , 02:02 PM

jdr0317

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I didn’t. I just can’t see what he will call with

I'd bet the river if I'm not check raising the river. And I think betting is superior here. This line is a little too weak for my taste (it seems unlikely he has you beat and he might not even raise you with a straight).

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06-24-2019 , 02:20 PM

ninefingershuffle

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

I just couldn’t figure out where I wanted to put in an aggressive action here. Obviously I’m check/raising most flops, but I figured he’d be golfing so much air here

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06-24-2019 , 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I just couldn’t figure out where I wanted to put in an aggressive action here. Obviously I’m check/raising most flops, but I figured he’d be golfing so much air here

That's fine. It's ok to not check raise, in my opinion. But once he checks back, I think even when the club comes in, we're more likely to get a cry call from a hand like 88 than getting him to bluff at it. And we're rarely beat. That makes me want to bet.

Also merit to bet is that our range is pretty protected and he's not going to want to bluff often at us at all. So we can just fold if he raises.

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06-24-2019 , 10:39 PM

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mongidig

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I just couldn’t figure out where I wanted to put in an aggressive action here. Obviously I’m check/raising most flops, but I figured he’d be golfing so much air here

This is one of those spots where you are not gonna make a ton more money on this hand. I don't think it's a good idea to put yourself into a spot where you may lose more than you should. I'd be happy making 1.5 bets the rest of the way. If you CR the flop he may just fold but might have bet again with worse or a bluff. If he has an Ace he is gonna put in more action and I don't see getting away from this hand.

As played, just bet the river and hope for a curiosity call. I would expect most players to bluff the turn. Also, by just calling the flop you give him a chance to catch a second best hand. The King is the only bad card for you.

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07-01-2019 , 05:50 PM

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Lurshy

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Raise pf if he thinks you are fos

BF river, he will call with a lower pair (or a weak ace). But more likely to kust bet put any ace if checked to. Doubt he will value bet worse than a weak ace if he is afraid... So you get more value with a river bet, amd lose the same or less than by checking to him.

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07-04-2019 , 03:19 AM

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RoyHobbs

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I didn’t. I just can’t see what he will call with

If villain was on a club flush draw then yes he would call as the flush came in on the river.
Was your flop action bet / call or check / check ?

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07-04-2019 , 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I just couldn’t figure out where I wanted to put in an aggressive action here. Obviously I’m check/raising most flops, but I figured he’d be golfing so much air here

If you're just calling with 100% from BB defending, what hands are you check-raising here if you're not check-raising QQ? You've got such a huge range when it comes back to you on the flop. Surely, there must be some value check-raises in there somewhere.

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07-04-2019 , 04:52 PM

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ninefingershuffle

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Originally Posted by Aaron W.

In this particular flop? Things with equity but no show down value.

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07-04-2019 , 06:12 PM

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bicyclekick

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3 bet pre every time. since you didn't - check call flop good. River I lead. If I check river i'm raising.

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07-04-2019 , 11:20 PM

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ninefingershuffle

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Originally Posted by bicyclekick

3 bet pre every time. since you didn't - check call flop good. River I lead. If I check river i'm raising.

I’ve been just calling everything preflop in a heads up situation no matter where the villain opens from. I’m not very good and it’s hard to construct a balanced three bet range that I have to deal with out of position.

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07-05-2019 , 12:02 AM

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bicyclekick

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get gud deal with it

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07-05-2019 , 12:14 PM

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maka2184

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Originally Posted by bicyclekick

3 bet pre every time. since you didn't - check call flop good. River I lead. If I check river i'm raising.

If you check turn as played, is that with intention to c/r turn?

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07-05-2019 , 03:04 PM

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bicyclekick

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Originally Posted by maka2184

If you check turn as played, is that with intention to c/r turn?

nope

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07-06-2019 , 02:23 PM

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Aaron W.

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

In this particular flop? Things with equity but no show down value.

What does this mean to you?

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07-06-2019 , 02:45 PM

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reaper6788

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The only equity hands without showdown value I can think of are middling two club hands with or without back door straight potential. IMO our check raise range should have way more than that unless you think villain is just folding all day when raised and betting all day when checked to.

Plus if he's folding that much when check raised then start putting some very low equity no showdown value in your check raise range too.

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07-06-2019 , 05:20 PM

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ninefingershuffle

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Two club hands; I’d probably raise 10s and below as well

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07-06-2019 , 06:40 PM

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Aaron W.

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

Two club hands; I’d probably raise 10s and below as well

Is your primary reason for check-raising to get your opponent to fold?

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07-06-2019 , 11:28 PM

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ninefingershuffle

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Originally Posted by Aaron W.

Is your primary reason for check-raising to get your opponent to fold?

Yes. I have the virtual nuts against hands I beat.

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