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03-07-2010 , 08:58 PM
4/8 game in SoCal.

I have QQ in late position. Two callers to me and I raise. Two cold-callers after me and the big blind calls.

Flop: 23J rainbow.

EP bets, MP raises to $5 all-in. I raise to $8. It gets capped behind (I'm not sure by who).

6 to the turn with one all-in. The dealer says $35 on the side and quickly puts out the turn, 5 still rainbow, out. I say what???? Dealer rolls her eyes and starts talking down to me saying I'll explain it to you later. I say explain it to me now. Dealer finally sees her mistake - annoying! I say "is it on me". Dealer says "yes". I say check and it's checked all around. Then the big blind says wait a second "I didn't check". So action starts over and Big Blind checks. EP bets. All behind call and the big blind now raises. All call.

River is a Q. Big blind bets. EP calls. Action is on me. What do I do?
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03-07-2010 , 09:19 PM
You have top set right? I'd raise.

Welcome to the forums.
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03-07-2010 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jesse8888
You have top set right? I'd raise.
OP-

Listen to jesse. He's the master of understatement and plays poker pretty good, too.
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03-07-2010 , 10:55 PM
Why did you check the turn? Did the turn card change anything in your mind? Is this Commerce-style, where a flop cap can happen from someone with two overs, or Pechanga/vegas style, where a 3-bet nearly guarantees a set?

I'd raise the river too. What was bb doing "Wait, I didn't check. I check!" and then someone who already checked decides to bet? This must be commerce, making river an even easier raise.

-Curtis
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03-08-2010 , 12:09 AM
Well the turn action is illegal... First, once everyone checks the BB has forfeited the right to act.
The once the action is called back and he has checked, everyone else must still check because the action in front of them hasn't changed.

On the river I raise and probably just call a 3-bet.
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03-08-2010 , 12:34 AM
Unfortunately, I was paying attention to the idiot dealer who got the side pot wrong. Once the side-pot was settled I said "is action on me" the dealer replied "yes" and I checked. The button behind me checked and then the big blind said, "wait, I didn't act". So may be there was not action on the turn until I said "is action on me" .... so may be I started the action out of turn - I'm not sure. Freakin dealer. I know I'm an idiot in the hand ... and I shouldn't have let any of it happen.

On the river when action was on me I called time and thought for a few seconds. I decided to raise for value ... duh! Big blind then thinks for like 15 seconds in dis-belief and then 3-bets. UTG+2 calls. Action is on me. Do I cap or just call?
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03-08-2010 , 06:21 AM
I call the 3! but the initial raise was correct, without the Hollywooding the river could have been a cap.

Also the turn is a bet.
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03-08-2010 , 12:22 PM
I'm confused by the action, but in a big pot with a big hand I don't let the turn check thru and give everyone infinite odds to hit anything that can beat me.
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03-08-2010 , 03:56 PM
Hey Bubblemint,
You are putting BB on 6-4 exactly rather than JJ or QJ, when you say call, rather 4-bet?
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03-10-2010 , 11:51 AM
A confusing hand with top set but you seem to have remembered the action so definately raise the river and I might cap but definately calling with top set. Its likely your rivered q helped you win this hand.
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03-10-2010 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by p4594spa
Hey Bubblemint,
You are putting BB on 6-4 exactly rather than JJ or QJ, when you say call, rather 4-bet?
I am not putting him on exactly one hand, 64 is not the only hand that has us beat.

This is a low limit game, where villains rarely go multiple bets on big streets without the nuts.

The action got messed up, but the BB wanted to call the flop and then c/r the turn, then he wants to b/3! the river.

Such action is often indicitive of a nuts type hand. Now it was my bad not knowing (reading) a cap is 4 bets, so it will only cost us 1BB to be wrong, however in the games I frequent the cap is 5 bets, so you have to be slightly more cautious.
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03-10-2010 , 12:33 PM
Step one: Bet turn.

Step two: Laugh that you drew out on someone on the river.

Step three. RAIZE!
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03-10-2010 , 12:34 PM
Oh and actions out of turn are binding btw.
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03-10-2010 , 02:47 PM
If the BB put in a raise on the flop (you say you don't remember who three bet and capped), then raise the river. If he just was passive, then sprung to life on the turn, (and his action there screams extreme strength) I would be afraid of a small straight and could see just calling. When I'm three bet on the river, I absolutely just call, and expect to be shown a straight.
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