4/8 LHE live

I have been at the table about an hour, played with this one once or twice. She is a MA caucasian weirdo, plays loose most of the time then goes Lagtard in weird spots. Talks to herself and no one in particular sometime, sometimes engages the dealers with babble. Most of the Regs do not seem to care for her and some left the table after a couple of the below hands. The 3rd hand completely tilted a MA asian woman who had the set.

In the hour I have seen her-

Raise her button with T4o after several limps, flop 2P and take down a big pot.
Raise her SB after several limps with T7o, flop 2p and lose a big pot to a flopped set.
Raise my Kill with 3 limpers with 23, flop a straight and win a big pot from a flopped set.

I am in EP and open with QQ, she is immediately to my left and 3!, folds around to me, I cap.

Flop is ragged but has 2 spades

I bet, she calls.

Turn is J spades bringing home the FD. I remember having a black Q but not sure which. I don't want to peek so I bet. She makes an obvious show of checking her cards and raises. I make an obvious show of checking my cards and see my black Q is a ***. Whats my move?

I think you should start us off by letting us know what options you are considering and why.

1. Thought number one, she's a nutter and probably has air, I should 3 bet or at least call down.
2. Thought number 2. Crap I have no spade, what am I beating. Wait shes a nutter I have to call down. Could have TT with a spade.
3. Shes a nutter and I have to call down.
4. Even nutters get big pairs and make FDs sometimes. Pots not too big, can I fold HU?

What is your 4 bet range here pre?

Awwww yes the lucky idiot!! Probably one of the most difficult things for me personally to deal with. YEA YEA, they say you should be happy playing with players like this and you will win in the long run, lol...They play almost every hand, catch cards and stack racks...Nothing more sickening then to play a strong disciplined game and watch ur stack slowly dwindle over course of 3 or 4 hours, while simultaneously watchin this idiot stack up 6 or 7 racks!!!! ...... back to the question, lol....you gotta call down..NO?

I don’t have a 4bet range here preflop.

As played, you can’t fold an overpair on a drawy board against a crazy person and you shouldn’t 3bet with one pair with a flush on board. That leaves only one option . . .

In general, or against a perceived Lagtard?

Against the latter HU prob capping light with TT+, AQ+. AJs+

In general, HU QQ+, AK, AQs+

Happy for feedback on these ranges.

+1. She has too much garbage in her range to take this raise seriously.

Although you didn’t mention any times that she bluffed, was she only aggressive post when she made a hand?

If your capping range HU is this narrow, I recommend not having one. In a 4/8 game where people are just playing their own cards, you will not get punished for having a narrow capping range. But one you start playing against people who are paying attention, you will become very easy to play against once you cap HU (especially if you are out of position).

Capping heads-up OOP with only good hands is easy to exploit. You’re telling your opponent that you have a big starting hand.

I can’t imagine folding the turn or for that matter the river even with a fourth spade.

What does MA stand for?

Middle aged

Oh I am very aware of this. HU(which is very, very rare at 4/8) my 3 bets are almost never capped, and I very rarely get 3 bet. If I am, I am almost always facing QQ+ only.

Understood. I am almost never HU Preflop at 4/8 and as I move up will need to study this more.

I think you are being overly MUBsy in your thinking. This isn't a four-flush board, it's just three spades. Against a very passive player you might conclude that they will only raise with a potential flush out there with a flush themselves, but you do not describe this villain as very passive. She can be raising a lot of hands that you beat, including hands that just made top pair, and pair plus draw type hands, or just random spaz raises. Of course, she can also have you beat.

Side tangent on live reads. A player with a suited hand will rarely need to double check their hand because it is almost impossible to forget what suit your suited hand is. So double checking hole cards is either (a) an offsuit hand checking if the player has one of the relevant suit; (b) double checking the hand itself for some reason; or (c) an intentional reverse tell. I wouldn't really change my play based on a unconfirmed live read, but if this were a close decision I would err on the side of assuming villain does not have a flush here, and more likely she is checking to see if she has one spade in case another spade comes in.

All this is to say that your decision is between three betting and calling. Folding is out of the question, but your thought process seems to be between calling and folding.

This was a great catch, after the hand I realized she had only been aggressive post flop with solid holdings in the short observation window I had. I don't think I would have played the hand any different though.

I appreciate all the feedback, you guys are really helping me.

fwiw, I called the turn raise(if I had the Q of spades I may have talked myself into a 3 bet but I doubt it )

The river was like the 4.

I checked, she checked behind. I tabled and she showed me AA with a spade.

For clarity, you are 4 betting everything or nothing here?

Nothing

She missed a very easy value bet on river, so at least you saved 8 bucks.

So OOP you are never capping HU?

Correct. Maybe some elite players can build a range there that isn’t super nutted but it just gives away too much info when you only four bet Jacks or better

Agreed. Some players will also not give you credit for having an ultra premium hand PF because you didn’t 4bet. I can’t tell you the number of times I was able to 3bet a K-high or Q-high turn with AA because someone assumed I couldn’t have an overpair.

I don’t.

This has been discussed before but the bet you lose BTF will be regained after the flop with a check raise.

Ok makes a lot of sense, what about 3 way?

last night I open in EP with AA, LAGish guy next to me raises, meh BTN 3 bets..blinds fold...I am capping all day here?

Absolutely

Yes. There are arguments for not capping anything 3 ways out of the blinds, but in the situation you describe I think you have to cap.