flopped set against tricky player
11-30-2008
, 01:37 PM
11-30-2008
, 07:14 PM
12-01-2008
, 01:38 AM
12-01-2008
, 02:22 AM
i would just lead the turn. Dont try get fancy oop when you dont need to. Many times it is better to do the obvious play.
Anyway i would lead and if raised i would call or 3 bet (depending on the player/situation). Only you know how the player was and how everything was at the time. You would have to know the player because he could be raising with a made hand such as a flush, KK (this is probably the most unlikely but still possible), JJ, or even AA with 1 spade, AQ with one spade, KJ, or a complete bluff. Everything really depends on the player you are facing. Given the information you gave, i would still probably just call a raise then lead all non spade rivers. The reason being because i dont want to leave myself open to being capped while oop with still 1 card to come against a hand that is probably beating yours (if he capped). Many also forget that sometimes you 3 bet the turn and then bet the river and after the villian just calls, you will feel you are good, only to see he has a small flush and was afraid of the bigger flush (same would apply if he had KK or JJ). Your hand is still very vulnerable at this point. I would rather just call see a river then lead on non spades and see what he does.
Yes i know people will argue saying that you should never give free cards or make them pay if he has a drawing hand, but sometimes you have to or else you will be giving away too much when he actually has the nuts. (note: this is only talking about 3 betting after being raised, i feel you should still lead the turn)
Another thing i need you to clarify is how "tricky" this player really is. Is he tricky or just a gambling idiot? I see many people confuse these two. People will see someone do a questionable play or something crazy and see him scoop a big pot and think he is tricky when actually he was just gambling and got lucky. Dont believe someone is tricky or a thinking player just because of 1 or 2 hands. I myself have done this many times, i will feel someone is a decent, thinking player because he did some nice plays only to find out (as the session or sessions went on) that he really wasnt thinking much instead just got lucky but looked smart because of the cards.
Like i said in the beginning of this post, dont get fancy when you dont need to. Dont forget that you are playing 4-8 not 40-80, the players dont think at the level you might give them credit for, most just play for fun and know very little about poker strategy (well at least they dont know good poker strategy). Good luck at the tables!
Anyway i would lead and if raised i would call or 3 bet (depending on the player/situation). Only you know how the player was and how everything was at the time. You would have to know the player because he could be raising with a made hand such as a flush, KK (this is probably the most unlikely but still possible), JJ, or even AA with 1 spade, AQ with one spade, KJ, or a complete bluff. Everything really depends on the player you are facing. Given the information you gave, i would still probably just call a raise then lead all non spade rivers. The reason being because i dont want to leave myself open to being capped while oop with still 1 card to come against a hand that is probably beating yours (if he capped). Many also forget that sometimes you 3 bet the turn and then bet the river and after the villian just calls, you will feel you are good, only to see he has a small flush and was afraid of the bigger flush (same would apply if he had KK or JJ). Your hand is still very vulnerable at this point. I would rather just call see a river then lead on non spades and see what he does.
Yes i know people will argue saying that you should never give free cards or make them pay if he has a drawing hand, but sometimes you have to or else you will be giving away too much when he actually has the nuts. (note: this is only talking about 3 betting after being raised, i feel you should still lead the turn)
Another thing i need you to clarify is how "tricky" this player really is. Is he tricky or just a gambling idiot? I see many people confuse these two. People will see someone do a questionable play or something crazy and see him scoop a big pot and think he is tricky when actually he was just gambling and got lucky. Dont believe someone is tricky or a thinking player just because of 1 or 2 hands. I myself have done this many times, i will feel someone is a decent, thinking player because he did some nice plays only to find out (as the session or sessions went on) that he really wasnt thinking much instead just got lucky but looked smart because of the cards.
Like i said in the beginning of this post, dont get fancy when you dont need to. Dont forget that you are playing 4-8 not 40-80, the players dont think at the level you might give them credit for, most just play for fun and know very little about poker strategy (well at least they dont know good poker strategy). Good luck at the tables!
12-01-2008
, 09:22 AM
This guy is not a thinking player, he is a bad player! exploit his bad play with a value bet. The pot is already large 9 BB, he's calling down, or better yet raising so you can 3-bet him. I'm getting all the money I can in the pot against this guy. You said he's a LAG player, I know it's been said so many times but I must say it again... Don't get tricky, value bet
Save your Check raises for the right times... ie trapping a large field for 2 when the LAGtard is on your left, or protecting a weak Top pair flop. This is low-limit Value town BABY
Brett
12-01-2008
, 03:13 PM
12-01-2008
, 05:29 PM
