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12-28-2020 , 01:23 PM
All four are clear folds (if you wanna 3 bet 44 whatever, but I wouldn't). I wouldn't call with any hand here. Anything I play, I three bet.
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12-28-2020 , 03:01 PM
Fold all except 44 , easy call .
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12-28-2020 , 03:43 PM
The time to play small pairs is multi-way when you get good odds. You don’t make enough money heads up or three way and you have to fold so many flops
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12-28-2020 , 04:17 PM
I would call 44 and 3bet A5s. I still feel like 76s and K7s are folds, but I have noticed that many good players are starting to cold-call hands like this. I suspect that this tendency is the result of solver work, but I have never actually looked at multiway pre-flop solves.
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12-28-2020 , 05:18 PM
Please ignore me, I missed that the button called.
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12-28-2020 , 05:42 PM
I think A5s, 44, and 67s are clear calls. K7s is close and might be a call too. i think TAGs in general undercall the SB multiway because we're so used to playing with initiative. i think initiative actually often hurts more than helps OOP.

OTB with one cold caller I think A5s is a 3b, with 44, 67s, and K7s being cold calls. Its really close and i wouldnt hate any course of action, except 3 betting 44 which is a bit spewy.
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01-02-2021 , 02:58 PM
TAG HJ opens, loose passive button calls, I'm in the SB, BB is unknown.

What do you do with

77's
ATo
QJs
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01-02-2021 , 03:41 PM
I three bet all of those. I could see just calling qj.
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01-02-2021 , 06:33 PM
I want to 3-bet the QJs but fold the other two. How bad is that?
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01-03-2021 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
I want to 3-bet the QJs but fold the other two. How bad is that?
You're throwing away too much equity for the sake of playability, imo.
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01-03-2021 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
TAG HJ opens, loose passive button calls, I'm in the SB, BB is unknown.

What do you do with

77's
ATo
QJs
Actually on second thought I 3bet all three. Fwiw I think 77’s and ATo are close. Sinve 88’s and AJ are slam dunk 3bets. QJs benefits from potentially getting bb to fold his kx and we don’t mind punishing button.

I plugged it into an equity calculator and assuming that button 3bets his very best hands then they are getting crushed. I plugged in a pretty tight range for HJ and you are about 31-32% putting in 1/3 of the money with all 3 hands. Can’t be too bad either way.

Last edited by checkraisdraw; 01-03-2021 at 05:04 AM.
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01-03-2021 , 05:11 AM
All 3 of those are clear 3bets. We can go even looser here depending on how tight the TAG is and how loose the loose passive is.
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01-04-2021 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Unguarded
All 3 of those are clear 3bets. We can go even looser here depending on how tight the TAG is and how loose the loose passive is.
How much looser might you go? I could see 3 betting maybe JTs. A9o feels gross to 3b. Maybe 66's?
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01-04-2021 , 01:59 PM
Live 6 handed.

Average decent TAG opens UTG, Loose passive HJ calls, it's folded to us on the button. The SB is a very agro lagtag pre but plays well post. The BB is a huge fish.

How do you play the following?

KQo
ATo
22's
77's
78s
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01-04-2021 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
How much looser might you go? I could see 3 betting maybe JTs. A9o feels gross to 3b. Maybe 66's?
JTs is an easy 3bet. You can go down to 98s in the right spots. A9o is a fold. 66 is a 3bet, and you can even 3bet 55 in the right spots.
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01-04-2021 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Live 6 handed.

Average decent TAG opens UTG, Loose passive HJ calls, it's folded to us on the button. The SB is a very agro lagtag pre but plays well post. The BB is a huge fish.

How do you play the following?

KQo
ATo
22's
77's
78s
KQo is a clear 3bet, ATo is borderline but prolly wiser to fold agains a tight range, 22 is an easy cold-call with 2 rec players coming along, 77 is a clear 3bet, 87s is a hand I fold that many good players will cold-call.
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01-04-2021 , 08:20 PM
Are we really turning a profit with two players in with 22 there? I don’t think set mining is profitable in this situation.
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01-05-2021 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Live 6 handed.

Average decent TAG opens UTG, Loose passive HJ calls, it's folded to us on the button. The SB is a very agro lagtag pre but plays well post. The BB is a huge fish.

How do you play the following?

KQo
ATo
22's
77's
78s
3bet kq, and 77's. Fold 22's, ato and 78s.

Last edited by checkraisdraw; 01-05-2021 at 04:08 AM.
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01-05-2021 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Unguarded
KQo is a clear 3bet, ATo is borderline but prolly wiser to fold agains a tight range, 22 is an easy cold-call with 2 rec players coming along, 77 is a clear 3bet, 87s is a hand I fold that many good players will cold-call.
I like the idea of 3 betting if I can get the blinds to fold. My concern is that the fish in the BB is gonna be calling the 3bet a fair amount. It feels a little gross to me having KQo and 77's in a 3bet 4 way pot.

I'm giving the UTG top 15%. I'm giving the HJ 20% with the top of his range decapitated. Do these ranges seem about right to you?

I usually 3 bet in this situation. I'm starting to think that just a call here makes sense. We aren't fist pump doing great against these ranges and I don't mind having some bigger hands in my call range.
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01-17-2021 , 01:03 PM
Live 9 handed.

UTG loose/bad player limps, UTG +1 TAG raises, folded to me in the SB. BB is an average reg.

I have 77's...What's the play?
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01-17-2021 , 07:12 PM
I almost always play any pocket pair for 2 bets once 2 players have entered the pot. I def cold-call here with 77 or 22.
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01-19-2021 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Unguarded
I almost always play any pocket pair for 2 bets once 2 players have entered the pot. I def cold-call here with 77 or 22.
Cold-calling here lets the big blind in for cheap, and then here we are playing a four-way pot in both worst absolute position and worst relative position to the opener. Even if the big blind folds, we are in that same spot three-handed.

If we call, we are risking 1.5 SB (0.75 BB) in a pot that will likely contain 7 to 9 SB, depending on whether or not the big blind comes along. To profit we will need to make up 4 to 5 BB in postflop action on average if we spike our set.

In games with a two-chip/four-chip blind structure I incline towards folding my weaker pocket pairs and three-betting with my stronger ones. (In a two-chip/three-chip game like 6-12 or 15-30, there is rather more incentive to cold-call often in the small blind.) The only question is the strength of the pocket pair on the borderline, the pair for which we are indifferent between 3-betting and folding. I would guess it to be somewhere around 88 or 99. I think 77 is too weak, but I could easily be convinced I am wrong.

I am sure that this has been solved; but the people who have run the preflop LHE solves generally are not talking.
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02-06-2021 , 01:58 PM
How low are you guy's going in this spot.

9 handed....4 players limp...We are in the CO...Nobody super agro behind us.

1) A7o
2) 89o
3) 34s
4) 64s
5) J9o

If any of these are a fold would you please indicate how much stronger of a hand you would need? Are you over limping or raising?

Thanks!
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02-06-2021 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Cold-calling here lets the big blind in for cheap, and then here we are playing a four-way pot in both worst absolute position and worst relative position to the opener. Even if the big blind folds, we are in that same spot three-handed.

If we call, we are risking 1.5 SB (0.75 BB) in a pot that will likely contain 7 to 9 SB, depending on whether or not the big blind comes along. To profit we will need to make up 4 to 5 BB in postflop action on average if we spike our set.

In games with a two-chip/four-chip blind structure I incline towards folding my weaker pocket pairs and three-betting with my stronger ones. (In a two-chip/three-chip game like 6-12 or 15-30, there is rather more incentive to cold-call often in the small blind.) The only question is the strength of the pocket pair on the borderline, the pair for which we are indifferent between 3-betting and folding. I would guess it to be somewhere around 88 or 99. I think 77 is too weak, but I could easily be convinced I am wrong.

I am sure that this has been solved; but the people who have run the preflop LHE solves generally are not talking.
This is a spot where I still don't know what the correct play is. I've watched many instructional videos where the teacher suggests calling once there have been a couple players entering the pot. You do bring up good points regarding our position and the awkward 4 way pot. I do think 88's or 99' should be 3 bet. I intuitively feel like 55-77 should be calls since they at least have some post flop playability. 22-44 seem problematic here.

That being said, I am not confident at all that my assumptions are correct.
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02-06-2021 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
How low are you guy's going in this spot.

9 handed....4 players limp...We are in the CO...Nobody super agro behind us.

1) A7o
2) 89o
3) 34s
4) 64s
5) J9o

If any of these are a fold would you please indicate how much stronger of a hand you would need? Are you over limping or raising?

Thanks!
I fold the A7. Would raise AT.
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