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Old 04-21-2019, 08:09 PM   #2251
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

Ah forgot to put the offsuits in there.

Thanks rodeo for the feedback. You think any suited King is worth it here? Is the idea flush draw, two pair or muck?

In these games top pair no kicker rarely takes a pot. So many players see every turn.

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Old 04-21-2019, 08:57 PM   #2252
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

I totally missed the offsuits.
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Old 04-21-2019, 08:58 PM   #2253
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

Rodeo certainly loves his small suited hands Pre flop check up posts.
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Old 04-21-2019, 09:01 PM   #2254
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

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Ah forgot to put the offsuits in there.

Thanks rodeo for the feedback. You think any suited King is worth it here? Is the idea flush draw, two pair or muck?

In these games top pair no kicker rarely takes a pot. So many players see every turn.


I think any suited king is worth it. And weíre trying to make a flush. Sometimes top pair will win too, but mostly just trying to make a flush.
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Old 04-22-2019, 09:23 AM   #2255
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I limp along with 88.

Raise:
99+, AJo+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s

Limp along:
88-22, A8s-A2s, K9s-K2s, Q9s-Q8s, J9s-J8s, T8s, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 64s+, 54s, 43s, ATo, KTo+, QTo+, JTo
This is close to my range except I would raise 77+ and A7s+ if the Button was tight.
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Old 04-22-2019, 12:04 PM   #2256
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This is close to my range except I would raise 77+ and A7s+ if the Button was tight.


Should definitely not be raising 77 or 88 regardless of the BTN.
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Old 04-22-2019, 12:07 PM   #2257
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

How are you drawing a line between 88 and 99?
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Old 04-22-2019, 12:08 PM   #2258
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How are you drawing a line between 88 and 99?


Like this...

99
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Old 04-22-2019, 12:18 PM   #2259
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

Makes sense. Sorry to be nitty, but is that two hyphens or an endash?
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Old 04-22-2019, 12:24 PM   #2260
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

Equity for this spot,

77 33%
88 37%
99 41%

From a technical standpoint we need a minimum of 25% equity to raise. Thatís super duper thin though and hot/cold equity doesnít tell the whole story. Iíd want a minimum of 12-15% more than fair share equity before I even consider raising. This acts as a buffer from all the times we whiff the flop (overcards), make a set and lose to bigger set, make a set and lose to a straight, etc. In multi-way pots we donít get to realize our equity as often nor does our hand hold up as often. So 88 are close, but not quite there. 99 have too much equity not to raise. And thatís how I draw the line.
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Old 04-22-2019, 12:24 PM   #2261
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Makes sense. Sorry to be nitty, but is that two hyphens or an endash?


Lol. 4 hyphens.
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Old 04-22-2019, 12:25 PM   #2262
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Lol. 4 hyphens.
Ah, two en dashes ok.
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Old 04-22-2019, 12:33 PM   #2263
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

4% drop per pip is much steeper that I would've thought. Need to stove more.

Are you including the button and blinds with ATC in the equity calc?
Edit: or maybe only their completes ranges...? That'd make more sense, equity when raiser is called.

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Old 04-22-2019, 12:42 PM   #2264
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4% drop per pip is much steeper that I would've thought. Need to stove more.

Are you including the button and blinds with ATC in the equity calc?
Edit: or maybe only their completes ranges...? That'd make more sense, equity when raiser is called.

I just did the 3 limpers and us. Too complicated to figure in ranges for players that havenít acted yet. And the hands that the players yet to act will call with are already in the ranges of the limpers.
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Old 04-22-2019, 03:00 PM   #2265
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I'll see what stove says when I get off work tonight. We want to know equity when called to figure whether to raise (positive I've seen sklansky write that a few times). The hands that cold call are already in limpers ranges but our equity against three top 50%-ers is different than the equity against 4 or 5 of them.

It'll be a little complicated but can stove against the three limpers and then stove against one cold-caller with maybe 25-30% (or less depending) and two cold callers with that range. Then average the different equities together using a weighted average where the weights are how likely those players are to get a hand in those ranges.
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