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That might be a micros thing. I remember seeing a lot of wait until river to raise play when I was at .25/.50. Could just be variance. Also you might not be misplaying those situations at all. they aren't taking as much money from you as they could or they are just collecting extra bet on river instead of turn. If it seems very very common maybe check back or c/c your very thin showdown hands that hate river raises.

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04-19-2019 , 01:13 PM

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Yes... Small sample.

Funny you say it might be a micros thing. When I was playing back in the day I was mostly at 2/4 and 3/6 with a bit of 5/T. Post black Friday I've played sporadically, came back for a bit at those levels and then dropped down when I ran bad and quit again. Point being that maybe I need to adjust a bit to the different game play.

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04-19-2019 , 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rodeo

Overall, these ranges are close. They tend to over value high card offsuit hands (typical TAG mistake) and under value suited hands.

A2o and K8o are folds from CO. A lot of good players are even folding A2o from BTN. I raise it from BTN.

My BTN range is a pip tighter on some of the offsuit hands and a few pips looser on some of the suited hands.

As an example from the CO and Button open where are you adding some suited hands?

I'm trying to play around with this a bit.

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04-19-2019 , 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by antneye

As an example from the CO and Button open where are you adding some suited hands?

I'm trying to play around with this a bit.

BTN
Q2s+, J4s+, T4s+, 95s+, 85s+, 75s+, 64s+, 53s+, 43s

CO I’m only adding a few suited hands that aren’t on your chart. 86s, 65s.

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04-20-2019 , 08:42 AM

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BTN
Q2s+, J4s+, T4s+, 95s+, 85s+, 75s+, 64s+, 53s+, 43s

CO I’m only adding a few suited hands that aren’t on your chart. 86s, 65s.

Interesting. Those J4s and T4s hands... I would have never really thought about them. Suitedness is nice but they don't have much else going for them. I'm not saying you are wrong at all, just curious on your thoughts on them.

Not that the ones I was cutting it off at have much more than suitedness either.

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04-20-2019 , 08:55 AM

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been a long time. started playing again small stakes bovada. lol. is the rake beatable? does anyone track their hands on there ? if so a screenshot of rake / 100 would be nice .

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04-20-2019 , 09:59 AM

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been a long time. started playing again small stakes bovada. lol. is the rake beatable? does anyone track their hands on there ? if so a screenshot of rake / 100 would be nice .

Good question I'd like to hear as well. I only have a handful of hands.

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04-20-2019 , 10:34 AM

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Oops. I meant to type T5s+.

J4s and T5s are ****ty hands, but we’re on the BTN where we have the highest win rate and we want to play a lot of hands. I fold Q7o, but raise J4s because offsuit hands have more RIO issues and aren’t able to realize equity as well. When we’re not cbetting at 100%, we give ourselves the opportunity to realize equity more often and suited hands will have more equity to realize.

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04-20-2019 , 10:37 AM

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been a long time. started playing again small stakes bovada. lol. is the rake beatable? does anyone track their hands on there ? if so a screenshot of rake / 100 would be nice .

T-Dub! Welcome back! I’ve missed you, buddy.

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04-20-2019 , 12:12 PM

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Last night only two players at the table other than me were putting in raises before the flop. I was the only TAG and it was going 5+ players for one bet most most of the time. How low would you open limp UTG? J9s? 75s?

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04-20-2019 , 12:14 PM

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I still wouldn't have an UTG limping range. I'd rather just push my value hands with a raise. I hate limping and then being priced into a raise behind me.

Maybe this is a leak of mine. I dunno.

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04-20-2019 , 12:17 PM

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Not limping utg would not be a "leak" in any game. I'm thinking of a very extreme small edges exploitative adjustment against some super passive calling stations on my left.

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04-20-2019 , 02:48 PM

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Personally the only hands I would limp utg in those games are suited aces and small pairs. I encounter those types of games a lot at commerce and position is still really important. If you didn’t limp anything it would not be a mistake.

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04-20-2019 , 03:05 PM

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It looks like even sshe stops at open limping in early position with J9s for ultra loose games. I'll call a stop to my middling suited one gap experiment.

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04-21-2019 , 12:39 PM

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Live 8/16. Table is pretty loose and has some wild moments. Two loose TAGs in the blinds. Button is perpetually waiting for 20/40, he will 3 bet the bad LAG to my right lightly but I've been card dead so I seem to have a nitty image with him and the loose TAGs.

Pre-flop:
A9o
UTG +1 calling station limps.
Folds to hero in CO (who is shocked two EP players didn't limp too).
Easy raise? The loose TAGs in the blinds seem to have a wide complete range. Like I said, button will three bet LAG light but probably thinks I'm nitty at the moment.

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04-21-2019 , 12:40 PM

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What the heck is a “loose TAG”?

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04-21-2019 , 12:43 PM

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Seem abc in most situations but wide cold call range plus super loose flop peel range. Call it TAGfish them? Don't know how to describe these players. Or how to exploit other than value bet when I have it...

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04-21-2019 , 12:46 PM

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The first part of being TAG is being tight. So if they’re not tight, they can’t be TAG.

A9o isn’t a great hand when the pot is going to go off 4 ways. But it’s close. Have to raise ATo. I probably raise A9o.

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04-21-2019 , 12:52 PM

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Is there some sort of rss feed or app you are on? You, ninfingershuffle, and munga just responded to my posts like lightning. I have to hit refresh and tap around on my phone.

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04-21-2019 , 12:53 PM

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Is there some sort of rss feed or app you are on? You, ninfingershuffle, and munga just responded to my posts like lightning. I have to hit refresh and tap around on my phone.

On Tapatalk

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04-21-2019 , 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DrHoldemPhD

The poker player formerly known as Mongidig would raise A7o in this spot. I think A9o is pretty standard.

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04-21-2019 , 01:36 PM

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I hate a9 but would probably still raise in this situation.

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04-21-2019 , 06:34 PM

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How about similar ultra loose game, 3 limpers in front. I'm pretty sure blinds will complete wide. I get 88 in the CO. Raise it up or overlimp? What's your raise vs overlimp range?

88+ is my raise range for pocket pairs. Raise A8s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, maybe 98s. Overlimp Axs+, K5s+ (sshe likes all Kxs in LP for ultra loose games, I don't know...), Q8s+, J7s+, T8s, 54s-87s.

Pre-flop and flop in these super loose games feels like pump preflop with better hand, dump on whiffed flop, rinse and repeat.

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04-21-2019 , 07:51 PM

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What I would pay to play in a game like that again......

Your ranges seem reasonable to me.

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04-21-2019 , 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DrHoldemPhD

I limp along with 88.

Raise:
99+, AJo+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s

Limp along:
88-22, A8s-A2s, K9s-K2s, Q9s-Q8s, J9s-J8s, T8s, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 64s+, 54s, 43s, ATo, KTo+, QTo+, JTo

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