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Old 03-14-2019, 04:00 PM   #2126
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20/40 time game.

HJ..loose and passive

CO: average reg...posts a half kill and acts last unless it is raised in front of him

Blinds are tight.

HJ open limps, I am next to act on the button with K7o...What should I do?


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Old 03-15-2019, 12:45 PM   #2127
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20/40 time game.

HJ..loose and passive

CO: average reg...posts a half kill and acts last unless it is raised in front of him

Blinds are tight.

HJ open limps, I am next to act on the button with K7o...What should I do?
I originally posted this scenario a couple years ago but with KTo. A very reputable forum member suggested that not raising a hand like K7o would be a mistake. However, I just reread the responses and I just figured out that he thought the HJ had folded. I thought raising K7o was crazy too but I wanted to see what you smart people thought.

While I have you, would you raise K9o in the original situation?
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Old 03-15-2019, 01:28 PM   #2128
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While I have you, would you raise K9o in the original situation?
Can't wait to see how this turns out since this is probably one of several leaks for me. Offsuit king....maybe raising a J, certainly raising a Q. a T is my current tipping point.
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Old 03-15-2019, 01:29 PM   #2129
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Really depends on hj range since it’s the only variable.

Fact is the average players per flop is gonna be 3+, and since the blinds are small, you need to realize a larger portion of the pot. So I don’t think it makes sense to raise some hands like K9o, which I would raise on the button vs two limps. I would raise KT in the described kill pot.
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:52 PM   #2130
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I originally posted this scenario a couple years ago but with KTo. A very reputable forum member suggested that not raising a hand like K7o would be a mistake. However, I just reread the responses and I just figured out that he thought the HJ had folded. I thought raising K7o was crazy too but I wanted to see what you smart people thought.



While I have you, would you raise K9o in the original situation?


No. Not close.
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Old 03-15-2019, 07:00 PM   #2131
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I originally posted this scenario a couple years ago but with KTo. A very reputable forum member suggested that not raising a hand like K7o would be a mistake. However, I just reread the responses and I just figured out that he thought the HJ had folded. I thought raising K7o was crazy too but I wanted to see what you smart people thought.

While I have you, would you raise K9o in the original situation?
I would raise KTo and fold K9o.

If the kill acts in turn and checks then I would consider raising K9 with that extra bit of info about his hand.
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Old 03-16-2019, 11:57 AM   #2132
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SB is a nitty TAG,

BB is loose but doesn't always defend. He is fairly uncombative post but will make a raise to see where your at...He has folded to a 3 bet a couple times in spots like this. He is fairly sticky.

Folded to me on the button.....Should I be cutting out of the lower suited connector hands given my description of BB? What is the worst suited connector you would open with? 45s? How about not suited? 89o?
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Old 03-16-2019, 12:07 PM   #2133
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No. Not close.
Are you raising KTo?
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Old 03-16-2019, 12:09 PM   #2134
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I would raise KTo and fold K9o.

If the kill acts in turn and checks then I would consider raising K9 with that extra bit of info about his hand.
Seems like K9o should be close to a raise as well. It's not doing bad equity wise, has some connectivity and we are on the button.
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Old 03-16-2019, 02:40 PM   #2135
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Are you raising KTo?

No.
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Old 03-16-2019, 02:42 PM   #2136
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SB is a nitty TAG,

BB is loose but doesn't always defend. He is fairly uncombative post but will make a raise to see where your at...He has folded to a 3 bet a couple times in spots like this. He is fairly sticky.

Folded to me on the button.....Should I be cutting out of the lower suited connector hands given my description of BB? What is the worst suited connector you would open with? 45s? How about not suited? 89o?


I wouldnít adjust my default range.
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Old 03-25-2019, 02:32 PM   #2137
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20/40 9 handed time game.

Folded to us in HJ. Are these hands in your default range?

QTo, A3s-A4s, 87s, A8o
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:13 PM   #2138
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No, yes, yes, yes.
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Old 03-25-2019, 05:48 PM   #2139
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Yes, depends but usually yes, depends but usually yes, no
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Old 03-26-2019, 11:41 AM   #2140
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

I get a lot different opinions about A8o from the HJ from people on the forum, older videos, and people I talk to.
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Old 03-26-2019, 11:43 AM   #2141
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20/40 9 handed time game.

Folded to us in HJ. Are these hands in your default range?

QTo, A3s-A4s, 87s, A8o


No, yes, yes, no

Offsuit hands are garbage.

This is my default range from the HJ,

55+, A2s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, A9o+, KTo+, QJo
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Old 03-27-2019, 01:05 PM   #2142
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No, yes, yes, no

Offsuit hands are garbage.

This is my default range from the HJ,

55+, A2s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, A9o+, KTo+, QJo
Thanks for sharing.

I have usually raised QTo and A8o from the HJ as a default. If the players to my left are laggy or super loose I cut them out.

A5s has been my minimum, but I see several people advocating lower.

My range is exactly the same for the rest.
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Old 03-27-2019, 01:22 PM   #2143
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

20'40 9 handed time game.

MP2 opens...I put him on 16%. He's a mediocre TAG.

CO calls....LAG

Folded to me in the BB....How low do you defend with your offsuit connectors? 67o has 21% equity here.
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Old 03-27-2019, 04:47 PM   #2144
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20'40 9 handed time game.

MP2 opens...I put him on 16%. He's a mediocre TAG.

CO calls....LAG

Folded to me in the BB....How low do you defend with your offsuit connectors? 67o has 21% equity here.


Where is MP2 in relation to the BTN?

I play these hands,
22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, A2o+, K5o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o, 54o
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Old 03-28-2019, 08:18 AM   #2145
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

MP2 is the LJ, Farjack, spot to the right of the HJ, 3 off the button.
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Old 03-29-2019, 10:39 AM   #2146
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Where is MP2 in relation to the BTN?

I play these hands,
22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, A2o+, K5o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o, 54o
I used to play any two suited 3 way but I'm starting to think eliminating the worst suited hands makes sense. I tend to ditch the T2s, 92s, T3s, 93s etc types. I'm saying this in regard to the tighter MP2 open range. If it was the button open and the SB call I would call these because now I think the ranges are wider and more attackable.

I also question defending K5o here. I just don't like the big little offsuit combos.

The rest of the hands sound about right. I'm certainly open for debate regarding the above and I'm not sure that I am correct.
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Old 03-29-2019, 12:16 PM   #2147
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I used to play any two suited 3 way but I'm starting to think eliminating the worst suited hands makes sense. I tend to ditch the T2s, 92s, T3s, 93s etc types. I'm saying this in regard to the tighter MP2 open range. If it was the button open and the SB call I would call these because now I think the ranges are wider and more attackable.



I also question defending K5o here. I just don't like the big little offsuit combos.



The rest of the hands sound about right. I'm certainly open for debate regarding the above and I'm not sure that I am correct.

Iím not interested in a debate. Do what you think is correct. Many different approaches win at poker.
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Old 03-29-2019, 12:28 PM   #2148
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Iím not interested in a debate. Do what you think is correct. Many different approaches win at poker.
I'm not debating you! I mentioned that my assumptions may not be correct. I respect your input but that doesn't mean I should accept everything you say as the gospel. Most of the time I totally agree with what you say and greatly appreciate your response. There are some hands in your latest response that don't feel right to me. It doesn't do me any good not to bring it up for discussion. Maybe others will say yep that sounds right or not. I'm just trying to hone in on what is closest to correct.
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Old 03-29-2019, 02:09 PM   #2149
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I'm certainly open for debate regarding the above and I'm not sure that I am correct.

Im sorry if my language seems defensive or aggressive. I was just responding to your statement that youíre open for debate. I think itís important to be open to debate things. Thatís how people become really good at things, by being willing to look at all perspectives. I respect that. What Iím meaning to say is that Iím removing myself from the debate. And to encourage you to play the way you think is best.
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Old 03-29-2019, 07:24 PM   #2150
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20'40 9 handed time game.

MP2 opens...I put him on 16%. He's a mediocre TAG.

CO calls....LAG

Folded to me in the BB....How low do you defend with your offsuit connectors? 67o has 21% equity here.
45o
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