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Old 02-22-2019, 11:59 PM   #2101
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

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Is the goal to play these hands relatively fit or fold post-flop?


The goal pre flop is partly to push an equity edge. Post flop you want to make the best hand and win the pot. The pot is going to be big, so youíre going to want to try to showdown a decent amount, but hopeless hands should be folded.
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Old 02-23-2019, 01:30 AM   #2102
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If I 3 bet pf with 99 and no one 4 bets. 5 to the flop. Itís AK6

Iím in check and fold mode
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Old 02-25-2019, 05:46 PM   #2103
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Exposed Q preflop. UTG drooler limps, folds to the button who raises. Button is tight, I’ve seen him limp KQ and AT off in late position, but I’ve seen him open KQs.

I have AQo in SB. Both players kinda sticky.
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Old 02-25-2019, 05:48 PM   #2104
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Exposed Q preflop. UTG drooler limps, folds to the button who raises. Button is tight, Iíve seen him limp KQ and AT off in late position, but Iíve seen him open KQs.

I have AQo in SB. Both players kinda sticky.


Iíd still 3 bet
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Old 02-25-2019, 06:17 PM   #2105
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Old 03-09-2019, 12:48 PM   #2106
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20/40 9 handed.

LJ...Very loose, limps a lot, raises a lot, will LRR sometimes with junk, sometimes he'll limp in with big pairs, Will WTF cap with suited connectors, KJ, Axs. Donks a decent amount of flops. Will insta muck after aggression pre if he misses. Plays carefully and has a little MUBs against pre flop raises he respects.

HJ...He limps a lot, over limps a decent amount, plays fairly straight forward post.

I probably have a tightish image.

LJ open limps, HJ raises, I have ATo in the CO.....My initial thought is to raise it up.

Two of the 3 remaining players behind me are loose and will cold call 3 bets more than the average player.

Based on what I estimate the CO's range to be I have about 39% equity if it was just HU. I jump to about my fair share of equity when I add the LJ range. There have been a few occasions where the action on the flop went, LJ donk, HJ raise....HJ is aware that LJ will donk with crap sometimes so I think there is some implicit collusion situations that can take away the benefit of raising IP.

I 3 bet here always but now I think it could be close.
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Old 03-09-2019, 03:16 PM   #2107
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I fold ATo here because itís garbage and donít think much about it after I fold.
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Old 03-09-2019, 05:13 PM   #2108
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

The button read is more important than the blinds. If he's tight enough, raise.
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Old 03-09-2019, 07:49 PM   #2109
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20/40 9 handed.

LJ...Very loose, limps a lot, raises a lot, will LRR sometimes with junk, sometimes he'll limp in with big pairs, Will WTF cap with suited connectors, KJ, Axs. Donks a decent amount of flops. Will insta muck after aggression pre if he misses. Plays carefully and has a little MUBs against pre flop raises he respects.

HJ...He limps a lot, over limps a decent amount, plays fairly straight forward post.

I probably have a tightish image.

LJ open limps, HJ raises, I have ATo in the CO.....My initial thought is to raise it up.

Two of the 3 remaining players behind me are loose and will cold call 3 bets more than the average player.

Based on what I estimate the CO's range to be I have about 39% equity if it was just HU. I jump to about my fair share of equity when I add the LJ range. There have been a few occasions where the action on the flop went, LJ donk, HJ raise....HJ is aware that LJ will donk with crap sometimes so I think there is some implicit collusion situations that can take away the benefit of raising IP.

I 3 bet here always but now I think it could be close.


Does HJ have ATo in his range? If yes, 3 bet. If no, fold.

This is a spot where you can 3 bet pretty much the same range of hands that HJ is raising, face the limper with 2 cold and if the limper calls, chop up his equity with HJ. Form a coalition and engage in implicit collusion yourself with HJ. Also, you get to have position a decent amount. Essentially, this is the conclusion you came to when you did your equity calcs.

If HJ was opening the pot, Iíd fold ATo, but would 3 bet AJo.
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Old 03-10-2019, 11:10 AM   #2110
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The button read is more important than the blinds. If he's tight enough, raise.
The button is one of the players who is loose and will call 3 cold a fair amount. I should have been more specific.
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Old 03-10-2019, 11:16 AM   #2111
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Does HJ have ATo in his range? If yes, 3 bet. If no, fold.

This is a spot where you can 3 bet pretty much the same range of hands that HJ is raising, face the limper with 2 cold and if the limper calls, chop up his equity with HJ. Form a coalition and engage in implicit collusion yourself with HJ. Also, you get to have position a decent amount. Essentially, this is the conclusion you came to when you did your equity calcs.

If HJ was opening the pot, I’d fold ATo, but would 3 bet AJo.
I don't have a great read on HJ range. He does over limp a lot so maybe he doesn't have ATo in his range. I have probably been over doing it slightly with the isolating bad players thing. I think this spot is close. If the button was tight I think would gamble here. If these guy's were more straightforward post flop I'd lean towards the 3.

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Old 03-11-2019, 10:44 PM   #2112
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UTG raises...probably 10% ish range, I have never seen her cap. Post flop she calls down loosely and is only putting in aggression with strong hands.

UTG+1 3 bets....No reads. I kinda remember playing with him a long time ago and don't think he is very good. I do think his range is reasonably tight.

This is my first hand at the table. I post in CO with 44's.

The button is pretty loose and will call three somewhat liberally with stuff like 86s etc.

The SB is super loose and I'd be shocked if he folded.

The BB is a TAG.

What's the play?
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:46 PM   #2113
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UTG raises...probably 10% ish range, I have never seen her cap. Post flop she calls down loosely and is only putting in aggression with strong hands.

UTG+1 3 bets....No reads. I kinda remember playing with him a long time ago and don't think he is very good. I do think his range is reasonably tight.

This is my first hand at the table. I post in CO with 44's.

The button is pretty loose and will call three somewhat liberally with stuff like 86s etc.

The SB is super loose and I'd be shocked if he folded.

The BB is a TAG.

What's the play?


Call and try to hit a set on a 9hi board
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:19 PM   #2114
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Call and try to hit a set on a 9hi board


This.
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Old 03-12-2019, 09:45 AM   #2115
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20/40 live 9 handed.

The button is pretty loose, cold calls a lot, fairly sticky post flop, straight forward, mubsy. The blinds are both tight. My image is TAG.

It's folded to me in the CO. What do you do with these hands? 22's-55's...J8s, 67s, A2o-A6o, K5s-K7s.
I feel like tightening up in this spot makes sense. If the CO is gonna call a lot that means that even the tight blinds are going to be motivated to get in there. too many of these hands don't play well OOP MW.
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Old 03-12-2019, 01:15 PM   #2116
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Don't post in the CO; wait for your BB.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:00 PM   #2117
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Don't post in the CO; wait for your BB.


Agree.
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:21 PM   #2118
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

Really? I thought you guys would say waiting for your BB makes you look like a nit. I am kind of a nit, and even I will post in the cutoff before waiting 7 hands or so until the BB.
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:11 PM   #2119
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Really? I thought you guys would say waiting for your BB makes you look like a nit. I am kind of a nit, and even I will post in the cutoff before waiting 7 hands or so until the BB.

I thought years ago Tommy Angelo figured out the math and posting the natural BB is better. Intuitively, it makes sense to me to post the BB. Honestly though, I have no idea which is correct. If it comes down to looking like a nit or not, then I donít care if I look like a nit because after an hour of observing my play, theyíll see that is clearly not the case.
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Old 03-12-2019, 06:08 PM   #2120
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I think the math is pretty close to equal at a full table. I read Tommy's book; IIRC correctly he said the math was close enough to not worry about, but he recommended posting as the BB basically because it encourages patience and easing yourself into the game from positions where you'll naturally be playing tighter. Most of the time I will post in the BB simply because more often the chance to post in the BB comes around before the chance to post in the CO, but if I happen to get to the table right as the CO I will definitely post over waiting, especially in a time charge game. Of course now at many rooms you can also post between the button and SB, which I will also do if I happen to get to the table just then.
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Old 03-14-2019, 08:48 AM   #2121
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20/40 time game.

HJ..loose and passive

CO: average reg...posts a half kill and acts last unless it is raised in front of him

Blinds are tight.

HJ open limps, I am next to act on the button with K7o...What should I do?
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Old 03-14-2019, 08:53 AM   #2122
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I think the math is pretty close to equal at a full table. I read Tommy's book; IIRC correctly he said the math was close enough to not worry about, but he recommended posting as the BB basically because it encourages patience and easing yourself into the game from positions where you'll naturally be playing tighter. Most of the time I will post in the BB simply because more often the chance to post in the BB comes around before the chance to post in the CO, but if I happen to get to the table right as the CO I will definitely post over waiting, especially in a time charge game. Of course now at many rooms you can also post between the button and SB, which I will also do if I happen to get to the table just then.
I usually post in the BB. I think if the game is good getting in ASAP makes sense so if I happen to get there in the CO I will post.
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Old 03-14-2019, 08:56 AM   #2123
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I feel like tightening up in this spot makes sense. If the CO is gonna call a lot that means that even the tight blinds are going to be motivated to get in there. too many of these hands don't play well OOP MW.
I had a typo....I meant to say "If the button is gonna call".
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:45 AM   #2124
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20/40 time game.

HJ..loose and passive

CO: average reg...posts a half kill and acts last unless it is raised in front of him

Blinds are tight.

HJ open limps, I am next to act on the button with K7o...What should I do?
Fold
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K7 is hot garbage
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