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Originally Posted by e_holle
Oops. Thanks for catching that. So now we are making $1.66 in immediate equity. A good pro should be making the play. However, even you have pointed out why the hot and cold equity is not the last word on playing these hands.
I suspect that these hands have a high enough noise-to-signal ratio that it would be hard to tell if someone is able to play them profitably. If you are a pro, an aspiring pro, or want to test/improve yourself, by all means play these hands. If you don't play as well post-flop, or are simply a recreational player, then give them a pass.
You realize that $1.66/hand in a 8/16 game is > than 10BB/100 (that's BB = BIG BET). That's more than you win, long term. You're giving up more than your entire win rate to hand-wave away something related to your so-called "only a good pro should play". This is also post rake and tip -- you're talking a hand that you won and deducting both in your preflop considerations. That's super pessimistic, as well.
Your argument is basically "even though the hand is clearly profitable, I chose to ignore that fact and not play it". It isn't compelling. Show me how I lose 10BB/100 playing this hand post flop, and then we've gotten to breakeven.
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all three are super easy to play you have the relative button etc.
e_holle, this is how I see these spots. Play them because it is profitable and folding would be bad.