Look at the chart. He's playing 94o BTN vs. BB, and he isn't playing all hands. He's only playing 90% of them. He's folding 108 other combos.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if a crusher is normally playing a hand, it is because he/she things he can win money with it in the spot it is played. It isn't about learning. Like in the grid above, DonJuan plays T3o in the BB vs. BTN open as part of a 89% range. He thinks it is profitable to play it (more profitable than to fold or raise). End stop. He's not advertising and it isn't about Shannia.
Certainly online, never been a fan of "avoiding tough spots" for this reason. Guessing that the current generation of crushers don't think much about experience at the table -- they're learning to play by doing homework away from it. It could be that those playing online check results of big samples to make sure they're not off in the weeds. It could be that you or I should think about this stuff, but it seems like results bias would cause us to be as/more likely to learn the wrong lessons. I literally have no concept how one would get better at poker playing live 20/40.

Final thought: let's say 94o or J4o is profitable in one of these spots. It can't be very profitable. Any actual close spot has to be nearly 0EV. So let's say that we just muck one of those hands. What would it cost? Conversely, let's say it is barely worse than 0EV. You're either making or losing a tiny fraction of a bet. Guessing that I should work on my turn cbetting frequency, which is an actual abomination, instead of worrying too much about this.

$100 to the favorite charity of the first person to post a vid from an acknowledged solid player that defends 9-4o in this spot.

Does this include the video I saw? It never happened because the SB folded but he did say he would have considered a call.

So to summarize

Calling here with 94o, when you are one of the best LHE players around, is a net neutral ev play

Therefore, all is garbage players should call because it must be more EV for us

Clearly, you know what a "summary" is when you introduce a new statement that nobody (as far as I've seen) has actually stated, and then go on to say something else entirely.

I assume you are on button. I’d reluctantly fold A7o, snap raise JTo, and I’m unsure about K4s, but I think all the options are worth consideration and I believe I have taken them all in this exact spot many times. I think with the blinds as described, I would lean raise and if they are usually coming along for a raise (meaning different player types), then I would lean call here. I’m sure some would advise folding the K4ss, and that’s fine, but I’m definitely looking to get involved with these guys.

Raise/raise/limp

I am summarizing all that has been said about this thread, by deducing if the best player in the world might call and it’s probably neutral EV, why would normal scrubs call with it

0 for 3 is pretty impressive

Call / Call / Fold?

You obviously think it's a fold with 94o. That's fine. You can repeat that as much as you want. You can be completely dogmatic about it, too.

But this isn't a summary the conversation in the slightest bit. There's an actual conversation and an actual discussion happening. And your self-declared summary has nothing to do with that conversation.

3 for 3

1.5 for 3

One thing to add straight quote from DonJuan on LC/NC MidHigh thread:


If I'm not mistaken, whether pot HUHU would lean HERO to call with 94o in lieu of if SB called.

Does that mean HERO should call with 94o. I personally wouldn't ever but I'm clearly TAG fish who doesn't study the game like some experts do nor do I play enough (if any) hours of poker live or online anymore.

Being a nit in the blinds, I agree. I'm willing to over fold because A) those hands can't be that profitable and B) not being a genius, I might cost myself post flop.

became so, agreement and love ITT
I love dead money so much. If I could convince myself that the SB wouldn't recognize just how much dead money was in the pot, I'd say raise/raise/raise. He's probably not that bad, though.

OP, you play in Canterbury 20/40 correct in which this question is referring to?

If so I would limp, fold, fold.

All 3 choices I would select are probably atrocious but I play bad and absolutely hate pot committing myself in potentially horrendous ROI spots so I might be biased.

In reality, what DougL said and TheHip41 said is probably the most correct choice to be made in this spot.

What I would give to hear what NinaWilliams OR ChrisDaddyCool would do in this spot. Polar opposite type of crushers but still believe Ninawilliams was one of the best during Cereus era at LHE.

Does it help if we're playing 20/40 at CP where limping ranges almost never contain two Broadway cards?

All 3 hands listed are pretty far ahead of limpers in my particular game but this obviously varies from game to game. The A7 can probably be raised also.

CO raises, button cold calls, we have 77 in the sb

cold call or 3-town?


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Three bets.

3 bet.

What if we had 22-66?



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Just call w/ the 7-7 and hope the BB calls also.

OTOH, you can 3-bet like a wild man w/ money to burn.

I think this is right too. I think K4s is close-ish (and would raise one limper) but the others are not.

I would call with all of these hands (and probably 77 too) but would 3bet against one raiser in CO/BTN. I'd also 3bet if the action went CO call BTN raise.

I would consider raising one limper with either K4s or JTo but not generally two. I think raising JTs would be fine however.