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03-11-2018 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SetofJacks
You're getting 7:1 if btn and sb folded, and everyone calls (very likely).

75s should do extremely well against the field.
T8s I think has decent equity as well.
J7s and K7s are too weak tho imo. They both have a dominated high card, the J7 can easily run into QJ, and K7 can't make a straight.
I agree!

75 and T8 seem like good hands to gamble with in what is going to be a huge pot.

I think a hand like Jc9c has enough connectivity/playability to call with.
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03-12-2018 , 05:14 PM
Cutoff raises and I have A9o in the small blind?
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03-12-2018 , 05:27 PM
Snap 3 bet.
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03-13-2018 , 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by DougL
Snap 3 bet.

+1.

What's the cutoff in terms of how low of Ax off suit you 3 bet vs unknown cutoff with HERO in SB or BTN?

I think A5o+ and A7o but not A6o.

Didnt do the math, just thinking off top of my head.
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03-13-2018 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by maka2184
+1.

What's the cutoff in terms of how low of Ax off suit you 3 bet vs unknown cutoff with HERO in SB or BTN?

I think A5o+ and A7o but not A6o.

Didnt do the math, just thinking off top of my head.
I think A9o is a standard 3b but it is about the bottom of my range. A8o can be a 3 for me but not against a good player. I think anything below is too loose.

That being said, there are players that need to be 3 bet with a hand like A5o. I just wouldn't against an unknown or good player.
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03-13-2018 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
I think A9o is a standard 3b but it is about the bottom of my range. A8o can be a 3 for me but not against a good player. I think anything below is too loose.

That being said, there are players that need to be 3 bet with a hand like A5o. I just wouldn't against an unknown or good player.
Somewhat agree since I'm a pretty NIT TAG in general especially preflop vs unknown.

Varies on stakes and cardroom but brief 6 hour session of 20/40 I played like 10 years ago at Commerce with the great Bakku, he 3 bet quite light like A5o or A6o in a similar spot.

He may have had reads since he frequented the California rooms or may have known opponents tendencies per his discussion with CDC who he was on trip with at that time.

OT:
Those were days I used to play 16 hour live sessions as a business trip when I used to play live in lieu of online. Great days lol although I would never want to play those mega long hour sessions again since its been proven to be -EV on large sample of me personally and via case study from former NL 6.table online crusher via like MIT article.
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03-13-2018 , 12:19 PM
There are a lot of players I would not 3-bet with A9 in that spot in my player pool. Probably more than half, which definitely makes folding my default.
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03-18-2018 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by maka2184
Somewhat agree since I'm a pretty NIT TAG in general especially preflop vs unknown.

Varies on stakes and cardroom but brief 6 hour session of 20/40 I played like 10 years ago at Commerce with the great Bakku, he 3 bet quite light like A5o or A6o in a similar spot.

He may have had reads since he frequented the California rooms or may have known opponents tendencies per his discussion with CDC who he was on trip with at that time.

OT:
Those were days I used to play 16 hour live sessions as a business trip when I used to play live in lieu of online. Great days lol although I would never want to play those mega long hour sessions again since its been proven to be -EV on large sample of me personally and via case study from former NL 6.table online crusher via like MIT article.
It's possible you didn't see him make folds with stronger hands in other spots. Also, I think players are stickier post flop these day's. It was probably easier to run over players back then. He may just 3 bet here a a couple pips wider than other good players may be comfortable with.
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03-18-2018 , 03:54 PM
20/40. Half kill.....I am the killer and act last unless there is a raise in front of me.

I am in the HJ. Everyone folds to my right...Two loose passive players call in CO and Button, TAG raises in the SB, BB folds and it's up to me....I have K7o. Based on my preflop assumptions I have 18% equity. I will have to kill again if I win.

Is this a call?
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03-18-2018 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
20/40. Half kill.....I am the killer and act last unless there is a raise in front of me.

I am in the HJ. Everyone folds to my right...Two loose passive players call in CO and Button, TAG raises in the SB, BB folds and it's up to me....I have K7o. Based on my preflop assumptions I have 18% equity. I will have to kill again if I win.

Is this a call?
Yes
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03-19-2018 , 03:27 PM
I would fold basically nothing there.
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04-01-2018 , 01:28 AM
cutoff raises, button cold calls; I have J8dd in the small blind?
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04-01-2018 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PLBlow
cutoff raises, button cold calls; I have J8dd in the small blind?
I'd fold.
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04-01-2018 , 01:01 PM
Loose passive limps UTG...TAG raises next in...folded to me on button with JsTs...bllnds are tight..I have a tight image. Is this a 3?
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04-02-2018 , 08:18 AM
I think folding is fine (if we are ignoring jackpots - some PSJ sizes affect the decision), but I’ve reached a point in my game where I’m just 3-betting this most of the time and playing flops in position. It’s even better against a TAG that will telegraph their hand strength by having a capping range and a calling range. For this reason, I think as the TAG here, it’s best to either cap a lot of hands or just call with everything.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 04-02-2018 at 11:47 AM.
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04-06-2018 , 01:28 AM
The hijack limps and we're on the button with K6s, both blinds are passive

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I think all options are on the table here to be honest. but for me its calling>raising>folding

I used to iso-raise these spots all the time and it just wasn't working out. I would almost never fold out both blinds, and typically they would both call. Being in position in this spot and acting 'first' on the flop (when they all check to you) doesn't really have the advantages I thought it had.

I think calling is much better. When you just call you see the flop for cheap, and you can play almost perfectly on the flop since everyones action is mostly correlated to hand strength since there was no prior initiative. You can also bluff more when they all check to you then you could when you raised preflop. When you call, you really have 'true' position on the flop.


I think open folding this preflop after a limp and on the button is too weak.

FWIW my main game is a loose 20-40, isoing may be more effective in tighter, higher-stakes games

Last edited by PLBlow; 04-06-2018 at 01:34 AM.
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04-06-2018 , 09:34 AM
You understand that you can both realize an equity edge pre and check the flop 4 ways?

Folding would be terrible.
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04-06-2018 , 01:24 PM
Yah but I'm not sure that you have an equity edge over the limpers range and two players yet to act with this hand.

Even if you do have an equity advantage its probably marginal at best and it may be a better play to forgoe it in these conditions and just call; I think whatever value you would sacrafice by not pushing your edge preflop could be recovered by the ability to read and play the flop more precisely
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04-09-2018 , 09:39 AM
The game is super loose and fairly passive pre. If there is a raise, people who were just gonna limp will call. 6-8 people are seeing the flop. There is one other TAG in the game two seats to my left. The rest are loose and kinda passive.

UTG....laggy, terrible, spazzy post flop limps, I am next to act.....What should I do with 66? 9Ts?
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04-09-2018 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by PLBlow
Yah but I'm not sure that you have an equity edge over the limpers range and two players yet to act with this hand.

Even if you do have an equity advantage its probably marginal at best and it may be a better play to forgoe it in these conditions and just call; I think whatever value you would sacrafice by not pushing your edge preflop could be recovered by the ability to read and play the flop more precisely
You don't necessarily have to have an equity edge to make raising the better play. It's more important to actualize your positional advantage in spots like this....raising lets you see 4 card flops, protects your range, Take down pots on boards you would not have a chance to if you limped, Barrel off in favorable situations, reduces the chances that you will be the one isolated, increases the chance to win the pot by folding players behind you.
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04-11-2018 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
The game is super loose and fairly passive pre. If there is a raise, people who were just gonna limp will call. 6-8 people are seeing the flop. There is one other TAG in the game two seats to my left. The rest are loose and kinda passive.

UTG....laggy, terrible, spazzy post flop limps, I am next to act.....What should I do with 66? 9Ts?

Based on game conditions call is best option for both hands... by miles.
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04-12-2018 , 09:24 PM
3 players limp, laggy SB raises, call or fold J8o from the BB?
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04-12-2018 , 09:38 PM
100% call.
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04-12-2018 , 11:21 PM
Why would you fold?
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04-13-2018 , 10:27 AM
How low do you go with Jacks in this spot?

What percentage of hands are you continuing with here?
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