I'd assign the LRR KK+ and AK. If they bet the AK9 flop, I'd raise the flop and call down from there. If they check the AK9 flop, I'd bet and call a x/r intending to call down.

If you think it's KK+ and AK, you should not raise the flop. While it's 9:6 that you are in the lead, your opponent can
1) Re-raise the times s/he doesn't have AK
2) Draw-out
3) Sandbag the turn/river

So, you're risking two-bets to win one (at best), and you can be drawn out on. It would be a small error to raise. You need to be a little better than 2-to-1 to raise here, not slightly worse than 3-to-2.

Wait, did others call the flop? Ignore above if there's others in the middle. Double-checked, OP was postulating a plan, so not that far in the action yet.

Fold preflop.

64s might be playable here, though this and 54s are the bottom of my cold-call range. 6 players though in a straddle pot is good though. So, I call.

There are 7 players committed before it's my turn and only one of them will have position on me. Our hand isn't very good but the risk/reward is pretty favorable and so is our position. 64s is definitely one of the worst hands I'd play in this spot but I think you have to gamble with the droolers here.

If you would limp along here if the button didn't straddle and the action was the same, then you can't justify folding here. Like... at all.

You can pass if you're short on bankroll though, because it's high variance.

It's not the same. Paying 2 bets instead of 1 cuts your postflop implied odds in half.

Plus, did you forget the reason people straddle? Because it gives them the option to raise again. They often take the option. And someone else often reraises because they expected the straddler to raise, or just because they want to build a pot. You could easily wind up paying 4 bets preflop.

This is the correct answer. I'm not going full ****** on the flop. But not raising or betting when checked to on the flop is pretty bad.

Once they bet 3bet that flop. I'm starting to believe.

Sometimes we disagree, but this is so brain dead correct that I'm not sure what the issue is here. I've seen "passive" dudes LRR simply because they're sick of you guys raising them. That's less likely massively multiway, but I'm not willing to say that someone who LRR and bets AK9 has 100% of AA/KK combos and not be able to find 6 combos of other stuff. Never mind the times that low stakes players LRR different stuff (like QQ) and fire out on AK9 simply because they're mad an Ace and King came.

I MIGHT elect to call flop and r/f turn, but almost certainly not since I don't like playing hands this strong to fold them against unknowns taking weird lines.

I think snap folding the flop to a single bet is clearly lol-wrong. Not that anyone recommended that, but assigning really high % of KK+ to villain actually says you should. That's why I asked if people fold to a bet on this flop, because if you're sure enough this is AA you're kind of saying to do so. You'd also check back to their obvious slowplay/trap, being that sure.

By the same token, putting in 3 or 4 raises seems wrong. Their preflop line suggests some % of KK+ or just AA, the flop bet/raise adds more evidence. You could argue whether the right number of raises is 0, 1, 2, or 3. To me, 0 and 3 are both wrong vs a relative unknown, with 3 being more wrong than 0.
+1. Since EP LRR is so rare, I hate rewarding someone on tilt. We bloated the pot enough that a really % of not AA justifies showing down. Like others, I've seen enough nits go nuts because they're tired of getting raised. If their range is exactly AA + (small tilt %) T, T just doesn't have to be big.

nh. Seriously. I know saving 1 BB isn't much in the scheme of things, but understanding when your monsters are no longer monsters is really a key part of post-flop play and I see lots of players put too many bets in against relatively obvious narrow ranges.

(And the pre-flop call is fine.)

I know there are more combos of 66+55 but I think 66 is crazy unlikely and I think he would fold 55 on the turn a lot, so... straight flush?! I actually chuckled in amused disgust when I realized I had to rule out 55 most of the time.

You're right. And actually, with the button straddle, it's up to 5 bets it could cost me preflop. But the player that straddled this particular hand wasn't in the "super action" category (in fact, he checks his option with A7ss here, with the button and 7 opponents in). If he was someone I thought would frequently click it back, then I would fold because there were multiple players that had called already that would definitely back raise to create a huge pot. I actually made a post earlier in this thread about the difficulty I was having adjusting my play from the blinds in these situations. FWIW, I don't think this preflop call is 100% defensible, but if it's incorrect, it really can't be that bad.

This is true that I did not mention in the OP that villain was an "old lady". I did refer to villain as "she". Ironically, I did not jump in to correct anyone who assumed SHE was "old." I would have guessed she was a woman in her 50's. For those of you who think that is old....the reference to an old lady was right. For those of you who don;t see 50's as old....the reference was wrong. At most of the poker tables I play at in Las Vegas -- especially off the Strip-- 50's is probably only a bit above the median age of women at SSLHE games. And I don't feel confident in that estimate. It could be the median age range.

True that I had some poetry in the O, but 30-45 minutes was pretty accurate.

+1

Yes, with an older lady, it's close and I think just call down. You're still a favorite vs range but it's close as to whether it's enough to raise it.

Not with other players in the pot whom you are undoubtedly crushing.

Yes but OP didn't say.

This reasoning does not work unless your second place equity share is still more than your fair share of equity. There's no silver medals in poker.

You need to raise the flop to charge draw and for value. Once you get three bet then you can shut down.

Sorry I forgot her range was [AA]

FWIW I posted this in the O8 forum, but I had hundreds of hands versus a guy in the game and his first preflop 3 bet ever was with T322. People do weird crap.

As you start to reduce the random hands then it becomes a call. I'm thinking around 70% equity for a raise in a HU situation (assuming the other three drop, in fairness there's usually at least one tag-along w/ a gutshot, TP, 2ndP). After adding slightly more detail, and reduced the random back-raise potential, these were the results:

ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.3 Professional)
Holdem, Generic syntax
Board - AsKh9d
PLAYER_1 (AA,KK)@100,(AxKx)@65,(AxKy,QQ)@40,(AxQx-AxTx,KxQx-KxTx,QxJx,QxTx,JJ-66,JxTx)@15,(Ax9x,Tx9x)@5
PLAYER_2 20%
PLAYER_3 20%
PLAYER_4 20%
PLAYER_5 99
600000 trials (randomized)


All-in Equity

	Equity %	Wins Hi %	Ties Hi %	Wins Hi Count	Ties Hi Count
(AA,KK)@100,(AxKx)@6...	23.3305%	23.0967%	0.4808%	138580	2885
20%	5.8943%	5.5590%	0.6882%	33354	4129
20%	5.8472%	5.5053%	0.7025%	33032	4215
20%	5.8524%	5.5067%	0.7097%	33040	4258
99	59.0756%	59.0753%	0.0005%	354452	3

Also, if there's a tag-along then your raise either gets another bet from both, or you get murdered by the supposed AA-KK. It looks like a raise with a tag-along otf to me. But, with an "older woman" (or my adjustment to older woman), then the equity is not enough to justify a raise in a HU situation. I gave the 3 peeps in middle position 20% of all hands, though detail can be added to their ranges (not likely to have their top ten percent and are from their 10%-15%), but don't know how to do that quickly.

And, discounting random candidates entirely in low limit is, I think, is as wrong as over-counting random hands with an elderly woman.

There's still a lot of hold'em-esque play in O8 though, so they play pre-flop worse in O8, imhe.

He probably flopped A45.