Solid 3kth post yo.

I'm on Tapatalk so I didn't even notice.

Solid 3001st post IMO.

live 20/40
Maniac 1 straddles UTG
Maniac 2 3-bets MP (range is roughly 60-70%)
Folds to me in SB and I 4-bet A9s (cap is 5 bets)

Seems really standard

This is the type the advocates of A4o are talking about.

But here, we get it 3 ways in position with A9s vs a straddle and a psycho.

Gah! sorry I meant to write "in SB", edited last post.
So we're out of position.

Also I expect Maniac 2 to cap his entire range, which is likely to include:
Any two suited cards
any two connected cards
T7o+
J7o+
Q8o+
K7o+
any pair
any ace

Still 4 betting, although I like it less

FWIW I think I'd fold A4o in this scenario whether in or out of position because to me it's not worth it even if it's ahead.
These guys also like to spaz flop and turn.

Ya I'm happy to bloat the pot here, even OOP.

Against those ranges, you kind of have to 4-bet in the SB, and then hate life when the flop comes KJ3 or Q76 or something.

Agreed, but one of my friends who's trying to get better at LHE doesn't think a 4-bet is so clear, so I decided to post it here.
Results: KT7hhs flop (I have hearts)
I bet and both call
Turn 6s, I bet, V1 raises, V2 3!, I call, V1 4! and V2 caps
River 3s
V1 has 89, V2 has As8s
FML basically

I'm not betting the turn. But other than that, that's life.

Meh, I'm loving life in that game except for the variance part. Otb 4bet A4, sb if passed you have equity, depends on mainly how aggressive they are after the flop.

Super loose 20/40 game.
4 limpers to me on the button, I look down at J7o and...

Drop it like it's hot.

J7o is a bad hand and I probably wouldn't play it except as a button open or defending the BB. I'd definitely play J7s here though.

I agree, which is why I would fold it.

What about these?
1. T7o
2. J8o
3. T8o
4. T9o
5. Q8o
6. Q9o

The only one I give a second thought to is T9


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I know you play well enough to beat the 20, why play against showdown monkeys with such a bad hand? Find a better spot imo.

Good hands are hard to find =/
Surely you don't think I raised it?

I limped along because I like to play hands on the button against these people when I can get in cheaply in a multiway pot.
Made trips on the turn and got **** from the worst regular in the game (whose name starts with M).

What you gotta realize is that limped pots are the gravy of poker competition. At least one of your opponents is making a mistake by open limping, and the rest are suspect. Think about what would happen if your opponents were better players: they would raise and you'd fold those hands listed above 100% of the time. Thus any +ev gained by playing these hands is unnecessary for keeping your long term winrate > or = 0 ev.

Now, I'm not saying to never over limp here. Just that you gotta realize how the ev is realized and where it's coming from in order to analyze these spots.

I'd call T9o, Q9o, and fold the rest. I don't think the other hands make strong pairs or profitable draws often enough to make them profitable.

Fold like it's on fire. Seriously. It's still garbage.

Have to rip j7s from my cold dead hands here.

I personally limp T9o and Q9o. But I can't fold Q9o