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08-16-2016 , 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
I've been gamestarting a lot lately. One of my most frequent opponents is a guy that never folds heads up preflop. He both opens and defends 100%. My standard 3 betting range preflop from the big blind is something like this: 55+, A8s+, A9o+, K9s+, KTo+, Q9s+, QTo, J9s+, T9s+, 98s+. However, I've expanded my preflop 3 betting range vs this guy in an attempt to exploit his overaggression. I've added A7s, A8o, K8s, K9o, JTo, and have removed T9s and 98s.

Sound good?
Also forgot to mention that your flatting range is going to be really weak.

Gotta mix some strong hands in your flatting; some weaker hands in your raising.
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08-16-2016 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by rodeo
In 9 handed LHE, I play the same range from UTG-UTG2. So it's not like I open 89s UTG and by the time I'm UTG2 I'm opening 45s.
So since your over all range is still appropriately tight UTG-UTG2 you can throw in hands like 89s. This gives the illusion you are looser than you really are. I suppose this might be unprofitable if you were opening to loosely as a whole. However, as part of a balanced overall strategy this hand can be played. Am I understanding this correctly?

What is your range UTG-UTG2? I keep hearing conflicting reports as to what is an appropriate range. I opened KTs UTG in a hand recently and many on the forum said that was too loose. My range used to be KTs+ QTs+ JTs+ KQo, AJo+ ATs+77+.....I have recently cut out the KTs, QTs. I'm trying to hone in on what the cool kids are opening these day's. I'm assuming a typical 20/40 game.

Thanks for your input?
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08-17-2016 , 12:56 AM
KTs isn't a raise utg. 89s is a fold utg.


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08-17-2016 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Pretend this is a real question. What would be your answer?


In that case


I can't fold fast enough with all of those hands.


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08-17-2016 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
So since your over all range is still appropriately tight UTG-UTG2 you can throw in hands like 89s. This gives the illusion you are looser than you really are. I suppose this might be unprofitable if you were opening to loosely as a whole. However, as part of a balanced overall strategy this hand can be played. Am I understanding this correctly?



What is your range UTG-UTG2? I keep hearing conflicting reports as to what is an appropriate range. I opened KTs UTG in a hand recently and many on the forum said that was too loose. My range used to be KTs+ QTs+ JTs+ KQo, AJo+ ATs+77+.....I have recently cut out the KTs, QTs. I'm trying to hone in on what the cool kids are opening these day's. I'm assuming a typical 20/40 game.



Thanks for your input?


Yes, you're understanding. There's more to it than that, but what you said in the first paragraph is correct.

My UTG range is what yours used to be and then add T9s and 98s.
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08-17-2016 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by rodeo
Yes, you're understanding. There's more to it than that, but what you said in the first paragraph is correct.

My UTG range is what yours used to be and then add T9s and 98s.
Thanks Rodeo!
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08-17-2016 , 09:04 AM
Tag opens in LJ, folded to Loose passive Reg on button who calls, folded to me on BB.

Should I be calling all suited hands? If not, what should I be cutting out?
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08-17-2016 , 12:19 PM
Raising an ocean of limpers with a suited ace from any position is probably fine, especially if you play well post.

I would not cap after UTG LRR's. I'd call and take my best relative position to x/r if I flop trips, two pair, NFD, etc.
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08-17-2016 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Tag opens in LJ, folded to Loose passive Reg on button who calls, folded to me on BB.

Should I be calling all suited hands? If not, what should I be cutting out?


I call any 2 suited cards in this spot.
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08-20-2016 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by rodeo
I call any 2 suited cards in this spot.
I'd want a third in before I start doing that, but defending against a raise and a call from the BB with ATS can't be horrible here, IMO.
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08-20-2016 , 09:05 PM
How much equity does being suited really add? And what does it take to realize the equity IBA heads up pot out of position?
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08-20-2016 , 09:09 PM
Calling with 93s in a three handed pot there is bad.


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08-23-2016 , 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
How much equity does being suited really add? And what does it take to realize the equity IBA heads up pot out of position?


Between 3 and 4 percent. Not sure what "IBA" is.
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08-23-2016 , 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
Calling with 93s in a three handed pot there is bad.


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I guess I'm bad.
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08-23-2016 , 11:52 AM
i doubt calling with 93s in that spot is that bad if at all

5.5:1 odds with a chance to play vs a loose passive? sign me up
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08-25-2016 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
So since your over all range is still appropriately tight UTG-UTG2 you can throw in hands like 89s. This gives the illusion you are looser than you really are. I suppose this might be unprofitable if you were opening to loosely as a whole. However, as part of a balanced overall strategy this hand can be played. Am I understanding this correctly?

What is your range UTG-UTG2? I keep hearing conflicting reports as to what is an appropriate range. I opened KTs UTG in a hand recently and many on the forum said that was too loose. My range used to be KTs+ QTs+ JTs+ KQo, AJo+ ATs+77+.....I have recently cut out the KTs, QTs. I'm trying to hone in on what the cool kids are opening these day's. I'm assuming a typical 20/40 game.

Thanks for your input?
Aj, at and even kq are all extremely marginal utg opens, being suited helps but limping or folding these is best in a lot of games

I don't mind opening with any pair but it depends on game dynamics, cutting out smaller ones in an extremely agressive game is fine though that should maybe include 77 (even 88)

As for suited connectors.. balance really not that important in a lower stakes game.. its extremely easy to be dominated when you raise jt, 98s.. putting these in the limp or fold camp is prob best.. lower ones tend to play better.. one gappers also playable in that range
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08-25-2016 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Tag opens in LJ, folded to Loose passive Reg on button who calls, folded to me on BB.

Should I be calling all suited hands? If not, what should I be cutting out?

We can do the math.. run the ranges on pql or odds oracle.. this tends to be more an issue of implied odds than preflop equity but the suit only slightly improves starting equity.. cutting out ratty hands is fine.. jx and qx with bad kickers probably have the most playability issues

aside from implied odds this really comes down to the postflop skill level of you and your opponent, overdefending blinds is a common leak so opt for conservative choices if you don't think you have an extra edge
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08-25-2016 , 08:04 AM
Say you have 9s3s. Flop is Jh 9h 6d

You check. Pfr bets. Loose player calls.

What's the play?

Check call down?
Check raise?

Just so many bad spots with crappy hands like this. And flopping a pair with your big card is basically a good flop.


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08-25-2016 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
Say you have 9s3s. Flop is Jh 9h 6d

You check. Pfr bets. Loose player calls.

What's the play?

Check call down?
Check raise?

Just so many bad spots with crappy hands like this. And flopping a pair with your big card is basically a good flop.


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??

obviously c/c the flop, see what the turn is, and check again. no other play makes sense. i dont see what's hard about it, just do a simple on the fly equity estimation depending on board/action and go from there.

in most cases, if the turn comes a non board-pairing broadway card, you wont have sufficient equity anymore and can c/f

if the turn is a brick you can either c/c again or c/f depending on how often the PFR double barrels UI. online most PFRs double barrel close to 100% so probably c/c 1 bet again regardless if loose passive calls or folds
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08-25-2016 , 11:36 PM
1) Do we call 6-9o in the BB getting 7-1?

does the answer change depending on if we close the action or not?

2) folds to CO who raises, sb calls, do we call in the BB with 9-7o
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08-26-2016 , 04:15 PM
I'm really not a fan of the 93 suited against 2 players.

A general rule that has served me extra-well in poker is to be really skeptical of plays that are either (1) premised on how far superior I am to my opponents or (2) could be based on boredom, offense, or similar emotions.

The 93 suited play seems to me to run afoul of both of these. It involves not folding a pretty obviously bad hand (so boredom could be an issue) from the big blind (players HATE folding anything from the BB because they have already invested money) and the theory for doing it involves outplaying two players out of position with a hand that makes crap pairs, crap flushes, and a few crap one card straights.

I can't believe that folding this 3 handed is giving up very much money even in the most optimistic scenarios. And in most scenarios, it's probably costing some.
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08-27-2016 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PLBlow
1) Do we call 6-9o in the BB getting 7-1?

does the answer change depending on if we close the action or not?

2) folds to CO who raises, sb calls, do we call in the BB with 9-7o
1 needs a bit more information, but folding can't be too bad
2 is an easy easy profitable call.
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08-28-2016 , 10:47 AM
If we are calling at 5.5-1 and flipping out top pair to c/c then c/f the turn

That can't be a good play.



I fold 69o getting 7-1. I would call 69s vs 3 players.

79o. Prob just folding heads up.

Calling probably OK as well.


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08-28-2016 , 03:49 PM
20-40 9 handed game. UTG+1 raises. Haven't played with him much but he appears to be TAG. I have pocket 7's on button. Both blinds do not liberally defend. What's my best play? I can make decent arguments for all three choices.
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08-28-2016 , 05:35 PM
^ I can't see any decent argument for the cold calling option.
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