K7o is a terrible hand. Also rake, depending on stakes / location.

Folding for 1 bet closing the action getting 40-1 is horrendous. You've got more than 1% equity.

The second sentence here does not support the first. You would need more than 2% equity to support calling a 40-1 shot. A lot more if you consider RIO. If you're referring to the AhJh hand I don't know that you have it, although it's not a preflop question (as this thread is designated).

I don't 3 bet this preflop out of position unless UTG is a total nut job. Fold the flop.

No he doesn't.

PF with AJs I like

Flop, fold


If the flop was T73 with only two diamonds, I am peeling.

But with that flop being monotone, I'm out.

Even if UTG turn over KK, I'm still 3 betting

My apologies to the board...

I should have put that in a separate thread. If mods could move or delete if needed, would be much appreciated.

Thanks

It's a pretty strong hand vs two random hands. It's a borderline good hand in position vs two random hands.

I may fold in like a $3/$6 game with a 4+2 drop but folding at 20/40 is pretty bad

The HJ's range is loose but not random.

Agree that K7o might be playable if we're confidently skilled and rake is small. Would still largely recommend folding it. If there's an extra blind in the form of a posted kill, we should practically be opening BTN with our CO range. If there's a limper, I'd go even tighter, but shift my range slightly towards hands that play better multiway (which K-rag-o / A-rag-o do not)

He said he folds it 3 handed OTb, there is no hijack

The HJ range is worse than random if he checked his action. The fact that he limped removes a lot of junk but also all the strong hands from his range

Against the random blinds K7 is an equity favorite, with a killer acting last then a bit under equity but close, similar to a lose limper probably (this last I'd have to stove, the others I'm sure)

The SB aggression is an important consideration. If very aggressive you could consider folding but I think it's fine opening that hand most of the time OTB.

Heavy rake considerations ignored for the above.

I think there may be a misunderstanding of the action in this hand. It's folded to the HJ who limps, The CO is the killer and acts last, so the action now falls on me on the button.

Against 3 random hands and a limper I fold the K7o

Lojack or farjack or seat to the right of HJ open raises...he is a TAG, Loose passive HJ calls, we are in the CO with..K9s, ATo, KQo, A2s

The button is loose passive. SB is tight passive, BB is a LAG.

How do you play these?

I'm folding all of those.

If the TAG has a wide opening range I'd 3-bet the KQ - and the AT and K9s some of the time. If the TAG is nitty with his LP opens, I'd fold all of these except the A2s if I knew it was likely going to be 5-handed.

Also, love the term farjack.

I'd call K9s, ATo, and KQo, but I'd fold A2s.

If I play any of these I'm 3betting, KQo is probably my favorite with ATo being close and the other two are folds for me.

I think flatting the A2s is fine if you feel it's a 5-way pot - I'm really only coming in if the small blind is telegraphing a call or just rarely folds. I agree on 3-betting the other hands when we play. I think this is highly player dependent. If the TAG's opening range from the HJ looks pretty similar to his EP range, I'm just mucking. If it's pretty wide, and/or I have good control over both OOP players, 3-betting makes a lot of sense. I'd be more interested in the situation without the cold caller.

I would fold the suited hands and 3 bet the unsuited hands

I did some stoves for this:

I gave utg6max this range: 55+, A5s+, ATo+, K9s+, KQo, QTs+, JTs, T9s.

I gave the loose passive HJ a 48.11% range less KK+, AKs.

A2s- 27.65%
ATo- 31.45%
KQo- 31.40%
K9s- 29.49%

then I added a loose passive button playing a 65% range less KK+, AKs.

A2s- 22.09%
ATo- 24.18%
KQo- 25.79%
K9s- 24.46%

then I added the lag big blind playing a 78.4% range less 88+, A9s+, AJo+, KTs+, KQo, QTs+.

A2s- 19%
ATo- 20.06%
KQo- 22.38%
K9s- 21.43%

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I'm sticking with folding A2s and calling the other three.

Three bet at and kq. Fold the rest.

I think you will be better off calling nothing here. In smaller games, perhaps, I'm not really sure. But if I was playing 8-16+ I wouldn't call.

Your stoves don't account for everything, namely what we lose having a narrowly defined rnage as well as what this does to our 3 betting range as that's going to be extremely narrow now as well. Not to mention we are far more likely to realize our complete equity when we 3 bet as opposed to call. Like I said (and 9finer as well) id 3 bet the off suit hands and pitch A2 and K9

Also I think your ranges for stove are wrong. Just becusse somebody is loose passive doesn't mean they cold call J6o and K5o. If somebody said loose passive I think 35% is more appropriate

I mostly agree with Jon, but I'm tempted to cc K9s. If our cold calling range is hands that are just too weak to 3!, then we aren't cannibalizing the 3! range, so it's EV isn't affected. Then one could argue that if villains play bad, there might be some hands that are marginally profitable to cold call with that we would otherwise fold. The thing is the configuration is not ideal for cold calling, pfr is assumed to be a (decent?) tag?, villains behind are either tight passive or lag. So the +EV cold calling range might be very narrow.

Bob, that stove is one of many relevant ones, we also have to consider different combinations of villains folding etc. Also what jon said about your ranges.

A very special villain limps in mid position. We very reliably knows that this villain plays preflop in the following way: Almost all broadways are limped most of the time, except maybe AK, pairs are generally raised, suited 1-gappers and suited 2-gappers are raised, junky suited cards are sometimes limped sometimes folded. Villain plays bad postflop, passive with draws and middling made hands, likes to slowplay.

What do we do with T8s on CO? JTo on the button?

Basically the question is how much does having an accurate read on his range+skill advantage+position offset the equity deficit?