I like this play a lot.

I'm not a great player but I don't like it. Utg could have a wide range there so a 3 bet doesn't really give away the strength of your hand. A bad lag could think you're 3 betting light and 4 bet you light giving you chances to check raise to build a big pot postflop. Cold calling there is fps IMHO.

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Two hands from last session. Any and all comments are most welcome.

Playing at Commerce 2/4 Limit

Read: None of note. Lots of multiplayers to the flop and very little PF RAISE.

1. 76os in BB. 4limpers to CO(v1) who RAISES. BTN CALL. If I'm correct it's 8:1 to me.

Hero. I CALL.
V1 younger guy, seems to be playing any big card T+ and 3betting/cap if RAISED into. Will go to the RIVER if he's got any chips in the middle

SIDE NOTE: If I had had 7s6s, would correct play been to 3bet and get more into the pot?

2. QJos on the BTN. 3 limpers. V1(from previous hand) in SB is next to act and is either playing with his chips or getting ready to RAISE.

Hero. I CALL. I kinda think I should have RAISED. V1 did in fact RAISE. Everyone CALL.

SIDE NOTE. IF I had had QsJs, that would have been instaraise?

Apologies if none of the above makes any sense, looking forward to the replies.

Why would u want to get more money in the pot with 7 hi

with 76os, I wouldn't. Doesn't 76 suited change that though?

suited or not it is still 7 high. The 1sb call on the BB is fine with either 76o or 76s.

It's just a great trap play. If anyone raises behind you, you cap it. People will just think you are gambling it up.

You could play it for 3bets and go HU vs the all in raiser for his money and the blinds, but I like the chance to bang people that cold call too much.

Hand one I call PF, don't 3bet 76s.

hand two, I raise QJo and QJs there, but I'm love me some QJo.

QJs is an insta raise. QJo is at least a limp, probably should just limp

I'm surprised that in other thread you said it's bad to raise A-10o 5-7 ways but here you would raise J-Qo 5 ways. I would rated have A-10

QJo is way better multiway than ATo


Vs 5 players when the flop is T high, what is a safe turn card? Aces or tens. Any other card is an over card, straight card, or give some one trips card

Example. Flop. T93

Safe cards. 2 4 5

Flop t73

Safe card. 2


With qj. I want to flop a gut shot and smash the turn.

U seemed to overlook the times we flop an ace.

ATo is a one pair hand. One pair hands don't do well vs 5-6 opponents. That's all I'm saying


I raise AJo and fold A9o. ATo is the swing hand.

A few hands from last session...

Typical 2/4 players:
lots of LIMPING
very few OPEN RAISING, most of RAISING is any A or HIGH CARD no matter what the KICKER is
usually 3+ to showdown

I'm in seat#1

1. BTN with T9os... 5 limpers FOLD
I'm thinking this should have been CALL, just from the # of player in hand so far, I FOLD to avoid getting into bad habits before moving up

2. UTG with 22-66 FOLD.... 3+ limpers follow, I see this alot
at this level 2/4, everyone is just playing any two. With 77+ I would RAISE and not feel bad about it. I FOLD for same reason in listed in #1

3. MP with KQos... 3 limpers CALL

4. UTG+1 with JTos... 1st to act FOLD


Look forward to the replies...

I'd call but I don't think you're losing much value by folding.
I'd call but I don't think you're losing much value by folding.
I'd raise but I don't think you're losing much value by calling.
I'd play it the same.

Outside of 3, I think they're all fine. I'd raise #3. Calling is definitely not the worst, though.

Good that you're already worrying about not getting in bad habits, too. I think you should just pitch those low pocket pairs, you're just not going to hit often enough.

One small nit about your observations. They don't really add up. We start with "not much raising", and that's typical of small stakes live games. However, then you say that people are raising any A no matter the kicker. Let's look at that range in equilab (find it and download).

If I just move the slider until I get every A, I wind up with a 43% range
44+, A2s+, K2s+, Q4s+, J6s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A2o+, K6o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+

That's a lot of raising. Now we know that most bad players don't realize that a range with A2o probably also includes J6s and Q4s. Here's a range that trims off a lot of "better than A2o" hands but includes a lot of HIGH CARD, but actually decent kickers.
77+, A2s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, A2o+, KJo+, QJo, T9o

This range is still 25% of hands.

OK, just any A and really big hands is still 17% of hands.
TT+, A2s+, KQs, A2o+

Why bring this up? It is hard to be at a table where very many people are raising all A's where many or most pots aren't raised. Thus, if you see 80% of pots being limped, you're pretty sure that people aren't raising every A and every big card. Think about hand ranges this way. Now that you've downloaded equilab, look at the by position LHE hand ranges. Look at the % of all hands. Put in some ranges for your villains (only raises KK+, AKs = 1.2% of hands). Understand how often someone raises or plays vs. what hand strength he probably has.

In regards to post #463

It should have read "playing any A or high card..."

There was very little PF RAISES...

If mod could correct and my apologies for mistype.

5/10 OL

No in-depth reads.

CO raises, BTN cold-calls. BB is loose. We have KTs in sb. 1/2 structure.
Call? 3bet? Fold?

I'm not 3 betting.

3 bet

Folds around to HJ who raises. CO 3-bets. SB 4-bets. All 3 players are fairly snug preflop but not nitty. CO is passive postflop but HJ or SB will bet and raise strong hands and strong draws.

We are sitting in the BB. What is our coldcalling range here?

I'm thinking AKs and QQ+ and that's it. I don't like AKo because it's hard for the villains to make second-best hands that can pay us off (bad implied odds). AKs is a little better because if it makes a miracle flush lower flushes and straights can call.

I'm never folding AK there. Or JJ


I'm going JJ+ and AK. AQs

Probably fold AJs. Not sure about that though.

Unclear on "All 3 players are fairly snug preflop but not nitty" means range-wise. Have two players in the pot already declared QQ+, AKs? Are there wider ranges? Especially what does the SB cold capping mean?

Also assuming 4 bet was the cap, but not sure.

UTG: slightly loose and passive pre. I've seen him limp AKo UTG then Donk top pair on the flop. I've seen him donk the flop MW then check/fold when a picture card fell on the turn.he He seems do donk a lot on flop and turn. He does have a pre flop raise button which I assume to be snug.

button: loose and cold calls a lot. He will will 3 bet appropriate holdings. He is fairly sticky post.

The blinds are tight.

What are you doing with these hands from the CO?

55-77, 89s, A6s, A7s A8o

What's the preflop action? UTG limps, on you?

I know the first thing I'm doing is looking left.